Anyone else intrested in this? Been looking around and it sounds like it should be avaliable late this year.
i want one badly to replace my R32
with a DSG box ofc
loads of space, quality finish, 4wd, dsg box , and finally easily tunable oh and adjustable suspension settings
and you wont feel like a plum like you do in an evo or scooby
its win win win with 350bhp my perfect real world car
some great pics here
Frankfurt 2009 Volkswagen Golf R20 — Autoblog
fingers crossed it keeps the active exhaust the R32 has
Nice car.....It is reported as having the S3's engine under there,and very likely the exhaust with flap-valve.
Tuning should therefore be very easy as all of the work has already been done with the S3,by companies such as Revo and GIAC for remaps,and Forge and Milltek for the pipework.
It also has the Haldex 4WD system,so it looks basically like a VW "S3".
That being the case,you'd need about £2-3k to get 350bhp or thereabouts.
That would get you a Milltek exhaust,high pressure fuel pump,intake system and the remap,plus an uprated diverter valve.
If you're wondering,my S3 has had all of those done,and whilst you can cut corners a bit,the exhaust is pretty much essential for over 310bhp,and the fuel pump for anything over 330bhp.
The intake becomes essential over 330bhp,as you will get airflow limitation with the stock induction system,and a misfire was the result with mine.
One other thing...you may want to check around as to the torque limits(not the manufacturer limits) for the DSG box and remapped engines.
There's quite a bit about that on Audi-Sport.net etc,and most of the guys running a lot of power on those engines use manual boxes.
The DSG allegedly doesn't last too well with much over 300-330lbs of torque,and many of these maps run close to or above that,although there is one guy I know of who was running a 360bhp DSG Golf on the stock box.
You would be best advised to contact Revo,or GIAC,and maybe also an established tuner like AMD to get the verdict on that.
You would also need an uprated clutch if you had a manual.
I like that, looks nice. The new Golf is going to be announced in 2012 though:
VW Golf MkVII exclusive pics | Auto Express News | News | Auto Express
Why are VW changing it so quickly? IMO it should be at least a 5 year lifespan.
yep i was budgeting on 3k (bargin)
i think the dsg torque limit is just typical VW fluff to put ppl of tuning, dont forget the veyron has a dsg box as does the r35 which is taking 800bhp atm with no issues, ok there different boxes but at the end of the day i have spanked the monkeys out of mine for the last 30k and they have to design them to last 100k with nutters like me behind the wheel, and if i half the life of it well that just makes it more fun for who ever gets it after the lease runs out
Indeed, the Veyron gearbox is made by Ricardo in England, and not Borg-Warner in Germany.
So what you think; hold out for this or go for the S3? I have a E92 330i at the mo but hate the runflats and the auto box.
How good is the DSG? Is it worth taking out a R32 from a local VW dealer to see what its like?
VW where in a dilema, the IV was pretty much slated all round as a the worst golf ever especially the GTi so they spent alot of effort making the V very good, problem was it is very expensive to make, the VI is in reality a V fine tuned to make it alot cheaper to make and tarted up abit, so its really golf V 1/2
the next golf will be on a new platform
and be careful with alot of these pics, 99% of the time there photoshop'd
Both make some good tough 'boxes but Ricardo do have the racing pedigree behind them.
Anyway....I do agree that VW have some considerable margin in the DSG box for the A3/Golf,and the spectre of gearbox failure does tend to put people off tuning engines.
Mine is an old-fashioned manual(apologies Eric!) but it gets the job done and it shouldn't break.
no apologies, its all about what you want from it
I want a real world car not a track special, and i unfortunately commute into SE london and with the constant jams due to water main replacement, stuck bendy buses, crashes, rain, random road works etc DSG is the perfect option. Just shove it in auto and let it deal with all that stop start crap. When the roads clear M and play time
However I love the fact you can change gear mid bend on full chat in the wet and it does nothing to the balance of the car
As to the DSG gearbox thing, well every supercar sold has one does it not or has an option for one? What do Lambo's use? The same sort of box as Audi's?
They may have the same type of gearbox, but they will operate differently.
DSG in a Golf/Audi/Seat won't let you anywhere near the red line.
It'll change up for you, even in what they call 'manual' mode.
There's no way a proper sports car/supercar driver will put up with that.
It's a crucial difference, which gives a proper fast driver proper control.
Not pretend control within defined parameters.
There were loads of times when the auto-change up at redline hacked me right off, even in my humble 2.0tdi car.
They may have the same type of gearbox, but they will operate differently.
DSG in a Golf/Audi/Seat won't let you anywhere near the red line.
It'll change up for you, even in what they call 'manual' mode.
There's no way a proper sports car/supercar driver will put up with that.
It's a crucial difference, which gives a proper fast driver proper control.
Not pretend control within defined parameters.
There were loads of times when the auto-change up at redline hacked me right off, even in my humble 2.0tdi car.
I tried and tried to find a UK company willing/able to reprogramme DSG for me.
There were at least three or four other guys on an Audi forum interested.
Couldn't find anyone....
GIAC is one of the reampping companies offering DSG remaps.
GIAC - News
There are a number of UK based GIAC distributors.
does this matter? no, you either learn throttle control and hold it 50rpm below the line in which case it will stay there for ever, or you just let it change which it does so smoothly and quickly it does not upset the handling of the car even flat out on corners, well not in the R32 anyway
Oh great....now they do it.....
LOL, like you (or anyone else) could hold a throttle to within a tolerance of 50rpm...
If you've never had occasion for the DSG to change up for you at a very inconvenient time, you must drive pretty gently, IMO.
There were loads of time I'd be going along a short straight approaching a corner.
A change up was inappropriate, I wanted the car to keep in the same gear for engine braking and stay in the same gear through the corner.
Nooooo...DSG would change up for me just as I was about to brake.
Bottom line, Eric.
You're evidently happy not having full and absolute control.
I and plenty of others aren't.
Hence the (too late for me) software companies offering changes.
If it was as faultless and wonderful as you think, there'd be no demand.