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going to buy my 1st plasma.

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by mralsal, Sep 10, 2003.

  1. mralsal

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    I`m looking to buy my 1st plasma. Must have read everything on the pros and cons of plasma and am now thinking of getting a panny 37". All I need to know with out any of the jargon which I do understand is what the best plasma to buy if my main concern is best picture when watching dvds. I`ve seen many sets on display with picture that have been great and others that have been rubbish even on the same make and size of plasma. I never seem to find any plasmas on display that has been set up right so I am finding it impossible to get a good eyeball test. In regards to resolution, in simple terms does the panny 852 x480 have a clearer, brighter, more contrasting picture than other plasmas with higher resolution when watching dvd. Please help before I spend my hard earned cash.
     
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    1) Contact a specialist
    2) See 1!

    I had much the same problem. Basically the only people who can help you will be one of the professional plasma retailers, most of whom either advertise, participate or are at least mentioned (in a good way) on these forums.

    You don't say where you are based, but there is 1 near London, 1 in Newcastle and one in Edinburgh who all seem to be well regarded.

    HTH,

    Mjit
     
  3. NeilMcRae

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    John Lewis usually have things hooked up the right way, the BC one does atleast.

    The panny 37 inch is a great screen and you won't be going wrong with it, but see a specialist.

    Neil.
     
  4. gandley

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    having just been lookin around at the mo i can honestly say at 32. 37 42inch the new philips plasmas with pixel plus
    are definately ahead of the pack.
    be advised that most companys are about to release new screens.
    pioneers range for instance are said to be mind blowing

    see avland for a pic and spec. i owned a panny 42 inch before my pioneer 503hde and i must say i wont touch panasonic again.
    the colours just arent natural enough and they do suffer from banding esp in reds.
    im saving for the new 504hde but both this and the 434 are the best lookin sets out there (for now)
    also with panny make sure u buget for the tv tuner thier not included in most models

    think sony are about to unleash new models but i speck thell be the same rubbish they been bangin out ..
    Whats happened to sony eh......talk about a falling giant
     
  5. mralsal

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    Thanks for the reply. Still no better off. More new plasmas coming out. Do I wait , do i buy now?? Some say Phillips is not very good, others say panny is the best. I dont need a tunner box or speakers. Is 852 X 480 res good enough for watching R2 dvds or should i go for higher res. Questions, Questions, Questions. By the way I live in Luton and work in London.
     
  6. gandley

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    GET A PROPER HD TV, panys are sd, they do have a new hd coming out
    wait for the new sets to appear. nothing like spending only to find one week later you could of got better.
    Old philips were terrible. over priced bad pic etc but the new 42pf9965 was a real eye opener. having owed a philips pixel plus crt tv i vowed i would never buy philips, it was that set that drove me to plasma.
    and yes i own a panasonic so i know what im talkin about
    pany was my first plasma.
    sorry but the phlips and the new jvc have takin other the panys in term of picture quality
    that said i plan to but the pioneer 504 hde as soon as its arrives in november.
     
  7. RoyH

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    mralsal

    I'm also a newbie: My experience has been much the same also - though there has been a considerable increase (and improvement) of demonstration setups even in the general retail outlets recently. My basic requirements also appear to be similar to yours but I also have a standard Sky decoder - might replace with Sky+ at some stage.

    I've been keeping up-to-speed with general plasma developments for around 3 years, monitoring this forum and the many excellent contributions - though I'm certainly no expert. At long last, I'm in a position to make my purchase and although I haven't taken time to visit one of the specialists for direct comparative viewing, I think my mind is made up.

    I have a budget of around £4k which also needs to cover receiver, speakers and a replacement DVD player - plus wall bracket and other bits. Guess I'm a bit limited but unless someone can convince me otherwise, I'm about to purchase (with boyish enthusiasm and with approval/authorisation from head of home HQ - i.e. my wife) the following:

    1. Panasonic TH-42PW6B / WD6 (must be silver), with at least one SCART board.
    2. Wall bracket - not sure if I need a tilting version (see below for display position).
    3. Pioneer HC-52S (i.e. silver) home cinema pack which actually includes VSX-C301 receiver, DV464 DVD player and S-V50s speakers.
    4. Any other bits I need.

    The plasma will occupy the space normally taken by the fire surround - this space has been reserved for the very purpose since we moved to our new house almost 3 years ago. I'll be getting a low/wide(ish) AV unit housing the player, receiver and Sky box, all below the plasma very similar to setups I've seen on this forum and elsewhere. I intend the plasma to be at optimum viewing/eye level (sitting) and the viewing distance from the front will be around 9 feet.

    Is a tilting bracket required/beneficial in this configuration?

    I believe the C301 will provide much of the connectivity I require for now though I may get an extra SCART board for the Panny. Not quite sure what the practical use will be but I just like the picture in picture feature - maybe just to 'impress' friends :)

    In arriving at the above selection, I've been concerned about and considered (to various degrees) burn-in, SD versus HD (PCs are important to me as I'm a software engineer but they all live up stairs), new models arriving frequently and the many general topics appearing on this forum. However, budget and the benefit of a thin display instead of a fire/surround (which then enables us to have the lounge decor/furniture we want) leads me to the above section - plus I love the technology and my youngest son is a massive movie fan.

    Being in the computing industry I'm always concerned about buying kit which is often superseded by stuff that's twice as good and half the price. However, the new HD Panasonic range is almost certainly beyond my price range (and may not be available in the very important silver, as governed by the local design authority - i.e. my wife again) and although I have seriously been close to choosing the Pioneer 433MXE, it's just a bit more expensive and I think for my requirements the benefit of higher contrast (albeit at a lower resolution) is more important. Clearly, I have a restricted budget but I've convinced myself that even this somewhat compromised system (not really the plasma itself) should be excellent.

    Guess I've had a lot to say for a newbie - apologies for waffling but any comments on my reasoning/kit selection will be very much appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Roy
     
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    you only need a tilt bracket if the plasma is high on a wall hence the need to tilt.(night clubs usaly tilt them, but if the viewing angle is pretty much level when you sat down you wont need a tilter
    i think there is better out there for the cash and there are so many new set about to hit market
    there also a new jvc set thats a1 pic plus its silver model PD 42D30es. this is better than my panasonic pw5 by far

    and i cant stand the pic a hitachi 42pd3000 gives out.

    so personal tast does come into this
     
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    seems like you have it all planned out right

    if the plasma is going at eye level i dont see why you need a tilting wall mount.
    there are some good deals to be had
    avsales are doing a good package but its not silver
    nexnix have the following package
    http://www.nexnix.co.uk/pds/panasonic - TH-42PWD6 - silver.htm

    i would consider a separates dvd/speaker/amp/etc. for better conections.
    if not how about the sony dav i thing there all in one package and i think it does component out.

    depending on how you want to connect sky i would say rgb to vga for best results.
    then component for dvd
    and dvi for pc

    i think someone said the scart board gives a softer image but it is easyier ,

    hope that helps

    there will always be new and better stuff coming out.

    i have a toshiba/panny 4 series clone and its over a year old and still gives me the WOW factor everytime i turn it on
    :D :D
     
  10. RoyH

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    Thanks for the advice regarding the tilt bracket jmack and gandley: my understanding of the situation was pretty much as you described. It's good to make sure on the practical stuff like this - i.e. a large metal bracket costing about £150!

    I hope I don't regret saying it sometime soon but to my eyes, I found that most plasmas (viewed in isolation with a basic 'threshold' quality feed available) provided a very reasonable image - even some that regularly get a slating on this forum. Maybe my eye/brain visual sensitivity has been reduced by staring at computer displays of various types for over 20 years :zonked:

    Sure I want the best for my money and to be honest, I'm still a bit concerned about not going for HD. Further, I'm sure that if I did compare displays in the controlled conditions of a specialist's demo room, I would be able to discern the not bad from the exceptional quality - but would I then be able to recreate that same quality at home without the top-end stuff 'behind' it?

    In relation to the last point jmack: I'm guessing that you're not familiar with the HC-52 bundle (apologies if I'm wrong) - as shown on:

    http://www.leconcepts.com/spkr/pioneer/pispkr.htm (bottom of page)

    To the best of my understanding, the HC-52S is not really an integrated home cinema system as such - it is essentially a bundle of separates in a retail package. The individual dvd/receiver/speaker hardware seems to be well regarded as separates - towards the budget end of things of course. The main advantages I *believe* this bundle offers me (as a newbie) are:

    1. The dvd/receiver/speakers are at least technically matched.
    2. Simple connectivity offered by C301 receiver (e.g. 4 SCARTs accommodates DVD, Sky and Video) with auto switching - checked this with downloaded manual from Pioneer site
    3. It is a package of separates so I can replace items (e.g. high-end speakers) if/when I decide to do so.

    All-in-all, the HC-52 appears to be an ideal package for a first step - especially for the price. It's probably a bit OT for this forum but it would be good to hear your views on this.


    Cheers,

    Roy
     
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    had a look at the pioneer you said and it looks a nice bit of kit.

    i`m sure you will be very happy with your new setup.

    and remember to post some picture for us :D
     
  12. Joe Fernand

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    mralsal
    As you have seen its garbage in garbage out with plasma displays - much the same as it is with any other bit of kit at the end of a replay chain; and even if the incoming signal is first class if the Plasma is badly set up it can still look poor.

    If everything that comes before it is of decent quality then a 37" Panasonic Plasma should give you excellent results with a whole range of video material and sources.

    If your unsure about optimising a Panasonic display using set up tools I'd plump for sticking it on 'Cinema' mode and leaving the rest of the user adjustments alone.

    RoyH
    I'd look at improving on the Pioneer speaker system - the DVD and AV Amp are excellent but the speakers are not in the same league as an entry level KEF KHT system and your AV Amp is more than up to the job of driving the better speaker set.

    Cant see any reason for a tilt wall mount - unless you have a problem with reflections and sometimes a tilt mount can help but otherwise you'll be pretty safe with a non tilt mount.

    Best regards

    Joe
     
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    Thanks for your advice Joe,

    A Kef-speaker-owning colleague had also indicated I should really get serious about the speakers. My strategy here is to take advantage of the HC-52S (dvd, receiver, speaker) package for now with a view to eventually re-using the Pioneer speakers elsewhere and upgrade the main cinema system with something like the Kefs as you recommend - no doubt this 'clever' plan will bite me back at some stage.

    I was very interested in your suggestion on another thread about the use of the JS RGB2VGA converter. Is there an advantage of converting to VGA rather than direct RGB via SCART - I must confess to not understanding the signal/technical details at this stage?

    Thanks again,

    Roy
     

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