Godzilla vs. Kong 4K Blu-ray Review & Comments

geogan

Well-known Member
Wondering if the HDR metadata is correct as it's only few notches above Skull Island which I thought had lacklustre HDR and was only a subtle improvement over the Blu-ray.

Debunks the beliefs of high bit who*es as VT says...

Godzilla: 2014

Maximum Content Light Level : 498 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 92 cd/m2

Kong: Skull Island

Maximum Content Light Level : 456 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 151 cd/m2

Godzilla: KOTM

Maximum Content Light Level : 1998 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 414 cd/m2

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Only about 600nits again if the actual metadata is correct... not full HDR again... not exactly hard to render some CGI scenes to 1-2k peak highlights. Would like HDTVTest to put this movie through his True/Fake HDR review process on the Sony reference monitor.

Seriously though, when I see some of the moronic comments here about not caring about "graphs and specs" is it any wonder why we are constantly shafted by movie studios, when they can get away with it, given how people proudly proclaim their ignorance online these days.
 

stigdu

Banned
Only about 600nits again if the actual metadata is correct... not full HDR again... not exactly hard to render some CGI scenes to 1-2k peak highlights. Would like HDTVTest to put this movie through his True/Fake HDR review process on the Sony reference monitor.

Seriously though, when I see some of the moronic comments here about not caring about "graphs and specs" is it any wonder why we are constantly shafted by movie studios, when they can get away with it, given how people proudly proclaim their ignorance online these days.

I'm a moron. And proud of it.
 

lgans316

Distinguished Member
Only about 600nits again if the actual metadata is correct... not exactly full HDR again is it... not exactly hard to render some CGI scenes to 1-2k peak highlights. Would like HDTVTest to put this movie through his True/Fake HDR review process on the Sony reference monitor.

Seriously though, when I see some of the moronic comments here about not caring about "graphs and specs" is it any wonder why we are constantly shafted by movie studios, when they can get away with it, given how people proudly proclaim their ignorance online these days.

It is still HDR but not the eyeballs melting type. What I was trying to convey is you can get impactful HDR picture at well under 1000 nits and > 400 nits. Many are hung up on peak brightness and this is one of the film that proves that don't need light cannon HDR grading to melt your eyeballs lol.

Btw, I hope the HDR metadata posted above is correct as the player can sometime show different values.
 

Greg Hook

Moderator & Reviewer
Last few posts deleted, lets not go back to that crap thanks.
 

shodan

Distinguished Member
I'm not saying this movie was bad, but I've actually already forgotten most of it! Like a type of PTSD, my brain has blocked it out from my memory... So the question is, do I put myself through that again to see if its better the second time around, or do I let sleeping dogs lie.. I also do not remember King Of Monsters either....

But I'm sure the disc looks nice....
 

geogan

Well-known Member
It is still HDR but not the eyeballs melting type. What I was trying to convey is you can get impactful HDR picture at well under 1000 nits and > 400 nits. Many are hung up on peak brightness and this is one of the film that proves that don't need light cannon HDR grading to melt your eyeballs lol.

Btw, I hope the HDR metadata posted above is correct as the player can sometime show different values.

Actually I didn't buy the 4K version of this... only got the Bluray version before I saw this review since it also has Dolby Atmos which is what I wanted and though it was just going to be another 2K upscale on 4K disc so not much extra for a huge price increase (€20 vs €35 in shop here).

But now I see it is actually a true 4K DI, I'm thinking I actually do want the full 4K version of it... I wish it was the first time I have bought both Bluray and 4K version of a movie.

Also if anyone is wondering where they got the head of King Ghidorah in this movie... watch past end credits of previous King of Monsters movie to see the small extra scene explaining how.
 

lgans316

Distinguished Member
Actually I didn't buy the 4K version of this... only got the Bluray version before I saw this review since it also has Dolby Atmos which is what I wanted and though it was just going to be another 2K upscale on 4K disc so not much extra for a huge price increase (€20 vs €35 in shop here).

But now I see it is actually a true 4K DI, I'm thinking I actually do want the full 4K version of it... I wish it was the first time I have bought both Bluray and 4K version of a movie.

Also if anyone is wondering where they got the head of King Ghidorah in this movie... watch past end credits of previous King of Monsters movie to see the small extra scene explaining how.

I don't care if it's a 2K DI or a 2K upscale. You still get full resolution of 2K as opposed to 1920x1080 and HDR/WCG to spice things up. There are many 2K upscale that look better than native 4K pipeline. Different movies are shot on different cameras / film stocks applying various techniques and artistic intent which are going to impact overall final output.
 

mb3195

Distinguished Member
Actually I didn't buy the 4K version of this... only got the Bluray version before I saw this review since it also has Dolby Atmos which is what I wanted and though it was just going to be another 2K upscale on 4K disc so not much extra for a huge price increase (€20 vs €35 in shop here).

But now I see it is actually a true 4K DI, I'm thinking I actually do want the full 4K version of it... I wish it was the first time I have bought both Bluray and 4K version of a movie.

Also if anyone is wondering where they got the head of King Ghidorah in this movie... watch past end credits of previous King of Monsters movie to see the small extra scene explaining how.
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geogan

Well-known Member
Have a read of this.
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Interesting. I was thinking it might be. Since it has everything including true 4K DI. And I can see from your equipment list that you definitely have the gear to truly see and hear it properly! I mean I don't even have a HDR or 4K capable PJ yet. And I suppose the relatively low 600nit peak highlights are still far above what even best HDR PJs are able to display anyway. I guess I will be upgrading to 4K disc of this some time and adding to PLEX server.

I don't care if it's a 2K DI or a 2K upscale. You still get full resolution of 2K as opposed to 1920x1080 and HDR/WCG to spice things up. There are many 2K upscale that look better than native 4K pipeline. Different movies are shot on different cameras / film stocks applying various techniques and artistic intent which are going to impact overall final output.

Oh lets not start the old 2K vs 1080 DI debate again! Personally I don't think 2048x1080 vs 1920x1080 makes much difference compared to 4096 x 2160. Only the extra HDR+WCG makes most difference.

Yes lots of upscales look great and I have lots... also obviously cameras used affects it... but still having shot on a 6K camera and then downscaled to 2K and then upscaled back to 4K is going to be worse than downscaling directly from 6K to 4K... and no amount of marketing and propaganda from industry will convince me otherwise.
 
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mckee74

Distinguished Member
Only about 600nits again if the actual metadata is correct... not full HDR again... not exactly hard to render some CGI scenes to 1-2k peak highlights. Would like HDTVTest to put this movie through his True/Fake HDR review process on the Sony reference monitor.

Seriously though, when I see some of the moronic comments here about not caring about "graphs and specs" is it any wonder why we are constantly shafted by movie studios, when they can get away with it, given how people proudly proclaim their ignorance online these days.
I can draw you a graph regards pretension if you like?
 

Garrett

Moderator
Mod comment to below posters.

Only about 600nits again if the actual metadata is correct... not full HDR again... not exactly hard to render some CGI scenes to 1-2k peak highlights. Would like HDTVTest to put this movie through his True/Fake HDR review process on the Sony reference monitor.

Seriously though, when I see some of the moronic comments here about not caring about "graphs and specs" is it any wonder why we are constantly shafted by movie studios, when they can get away with it, given how people proudly proclaim their ignorance online these days.

Not nice to call members who disagree with you.


I can draw you a graph regards pretension if you like?
Nor is that having a personal pop at geogan.
 

Coulson

Distinguished Member
Only about 600nits again if the actual metadata is correct... not full HDR again... not exactly hard to render some CGI scenes to 1-2k peak highlights. Would like HDTVTest to put this movie through his True/Fake HDR review process on the Sony reference monitor.

Seriously though, when I see some of the moronic comments here about not caring about "graphs and specs" is it any wonder why we are constantly shafted by movie studios, when they can get away with it, given how people proudly proclaim their ignorance online these days.
Having watched the 3D version, the colours, contrast ratio and level of detail looks pretty amazing, especially for an SDR picture. But I think that maybe watching on a larger screen helps, especially for detail.

But the 4k DV disc is pretty special. Unlike Blade Runner 2049, the difference between the HDR and SDR presentations is clear. Even at 600 nits, the extra contrast, subtle variation in colours and detail is obvious even on a standard sized TV.
 

amita

Active Member
Finally watched this, in great anticipation…
What a disappointment. Dreadful movie. Barely better than Godzilla King of the Monsters, and not a patch on the excellent Kong:Skull Island.
 

Tim2049

Well-known Member
Finally watched this, in great anticipation…
What a disappointment. Dreadful movie. Barely better than Godzilla King of the Monsters, and not a patch on the excellent Kong:Skull Island.
They're all basically sh*t, it's all about the eye candy. Hence Kong vs Godzilla is arguably the best of the bunch...
 

domtheone

Distinguished Member
What a disappointment. Dreadful movie. Barely better than Godzilla King of the Monsters, and not a patch on the excellent Kong:Skull Island.
Totally agree. This and KOTM are pure eye candy movies with human characters that are a total waste of time.

In comparison, the Skull Island cast are marvellous and make the movie. Which is light years ahead of the other 2.
 

amita

Active Member
Totally agree. This and KOTM are pure eye candy movies with human characters that are a total waste of time.

In comparison, the Skull Island cast are marvellous and make the movie. Which is light years ahead of the other 2.
Spot on - my wife and I watched Skull Island in awe, totally unprepared for the intensity and gore of it. And that only mattered because it had a great cast and characters.
 

rustyk21

Active Member
They're all basically sh*t, it's all about the eye candy. Hence Kong vs Godzilla is arguably the best of the bunch...

Completely agree. Don't get the love that skull Island gets, the plot makes about as much sense as this (i.e. None) and all the characters are stereotypes.

If you don't watch this on a big screen you're wasting your time.
 

Jase

Distinguished Member
Certainly a full on Atmos mix. Very good in terms of effects placement but someone must have been twiddling the volume knob in mastering as it's loud as hell.

Good couple of hours of brain switched off action for a Sunday afternoon. :cool:
 

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