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Discussion in 'Desktop & Laptop Computers Forum' started by sapper, Jun 30, 2004.

  1. sapper

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    Hi,

    I am looking for software/utilites that will ghost drives/directories onto another drive, either in the same PC, across a home network or onto a DVD recorder.

    Whcih package is the best?

    Are there any free down loadable ones?

    Also is there a software package to back up windows settings?

    Any help most appreciated.

    Adrian :lease:
     
  2. chicken balti

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    I use Norton Ghost, always reliable and never had any problems with reloading setups. I believe Nero and one or two other burning programmes have a similar backup function built in.
     
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    System Restore in Win XP?

    Norton Ghost does seem to be popular as a backup option as already ststed.

    :smoke:
     
  4. Messiah

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    Acronis True image is another one
     
  5. The Dude

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    ghost is the best package available, but drive image is easier to use..

    neither are free, but ghost is very easy to 'find' and it doesn't particularly matter which version you get your hands on..
     
  6. sapper

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    Which version?

    The reason I ask is on the amazon web site, 2002 gets excellent reviews whilst 2003 version is well unliked considerably...

    Adrian
     
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    if you get your hands on a utility for creating a bootdisk from www.bootdisk.com then it doesn't really matter..

    you then run ghost in DOS and can use any version you like..

    I personally swear by 6.5 ( circa 1997 ) as the most reliable...

    I think 6.5 can output directly to CDRW, but 7.5 is a better bet if you can get your hands on it..

    Are you planning to back up to CDRW, secondary partition, or another machine across the network ??
     
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    Drive Image Pro has a free download you try.
     
  9. sapper

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    I have several aims with th epurchase of this software, when i finaly install my new motherboard...

    1. To ghost my main hard drive onto a second identical drive as a back up.

    2. Hopefully across my home network to copy the 'software drives' onto the other software drive (hope that makes sense)

    3. To archive data/files etc as well as settings onto a CDRW or even DVD RAM drive.

    I have been given a licensed copy of Image Drive 5.0 I think so wil probably have a look at this beast.


    Adrian
     
  10. The Dude

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    if using ghost:

    1 You need to do Disk > Disk

    2 You need to do Partition/Disk > Image ( use network boot disk, and map a drive letter to a share on the other PC, ghost can then be run from the mapped drive so no need to fit it on the bootdisk

    3 You can add/restore files&folders from/to images using ghostExplorer.exe
     
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    I don't suppose you could post a link, could you, as I can't find it.....
    Thanks.
     
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    You could also run Raid 1 (redundancy) & always have a 100% perfect backup without the need for any ghosting s/ware.
     
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    I currently use Ghost with Win ME to recover the system after it gets screwed up by Windows Update...:rolleyes:

    Will this still work with Win XP?
    Is it possible to boot from disk into DOS with Win XP?
    I tried it last week and when I was in DOS the C drive didn't show up?
    Is this because I formatted it as NTFS?
     
  14. The Dude

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    yep, ghost is DOS based and talks directly to HW so no probs there..

    You're quite right.. because you use a DOS based bootdisk it can't see NTFS volumes for dumping images to (though ghost can still clone an NTFS partition)

    I use a small 4gb fat32 partition ( or you could use an old drive ) for dumping the images to...

    An alternative would to be load NTFSDOS utility on the bootdisk, but i've never tried this route personally as i think NTFS is a pain in the ()() anyway, so I always build PCs using fat32 (apart from the drive hosting my DVD ISOs)
     
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    A few more questions, if you don't mind...

    So you would suggest using FAT32 when I install XP?
    I thought NTFS was the better option?

    If I did go the NTFS route, is it possible to make an NTFS bootdisk so that Ghost can 'see' the C drive?
    But then again, if my D and E drives are FAT32, I won't be able to dump the image anyway as the NTFS bootdisk won't be able to see FAT32 disks?

    Finally, why do you use NTFS for your DVD ISOs if it's a pain and does that cause any problems using FAT32 and NTFS on the same system?

    Thanks.
     
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    Ghost 2003 sees ntfs patitions.
     
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    IMO & experience, NTFS is by far the better/more stable file system :smashin:
     
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    Will it cause any problems though having NTFS on the system disk (OS) and FAT32 on the other disks where I store all my personal data and some programs?
     
  19. The Dude

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    I'm coming from a professional aspect i suppose... when you're supporting PCs NTFS can cause all sorts of problems with applications not working properly, due to the PC users not (normally) being administrators on the machine.

    Also, if you have a system failure on an NTFS partition getting the data back safely can be a long and tricky job, whereas if it's a fat partition you just boot up with a dos disk and then copy the files to a safe place before you start rebuilding..

    the only two reasons that exist for using NTFS are (IMO)

    1 file level security ( not needed in a home PC environment )
    2 >4gb file size limit

    The second point is why i use NTFS for dumping DVD ISOs..
    They usually come out at around 7.8gb, which can't be stored on a fat32 volume as the file size limit is 4gb..

    NTFS is certainly more efficient in terms of disk space, but suffers from terrible fragmentation problems and (from my point of view) can cause me problems with cloning PCs due to the MFT log file not always behaving correctly..

    All versions of ghost can see NTFS, it's just the DOS bootdisk that's the limiting factor, have a play with NTFSDOS and see what you can do..
    I would have thought you'll still be able to see FAT partitions..

    As a final answer, I've built/cloned maybe 20-30000 PCs over the last 6 years ( and have to support them too) and would never use NTFS unless there was a specific reason for doing so such as security..

    Apols for the length of that !! :)
     
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    you can mix & match filesystems without any worries, 2000/XP can see them all without any fiddling required..
     
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    Thanks for all the answers guys.

    So in summary, FAT32 is sufficient for most people (unless you need to store file sizes over 4GB) and Ghost will quite happily back up a disk with XP installed on it.

    The cheque's in the post. :smashin:
     
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    I found an interesting site comparing NTFS to FAT32; http://faq.arstechnica.com/link.php?i=1227&PHPSESSID=95c85d3f88c8a96b9aa3cb028a7460aa

    Interestingly, the file size limit for FAT32 is 134G, not 4G....at least that's what it claims on that site:
     
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    It may be too late for this comment, but here goes anyhow.

    I have a boot manager which has imaging software built-in. I've only used the imaging to save backups to a hard disk, but I believe that it can save directly to writable optical media.

    It's called "Boot-it Next Generation" (BING), it's about 30 quid (demo available) and the website is www.terabyteunlimited.com
     
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    All spot on.. the partition limit is as stated, but ( for reasons i'm not willing to research ;) :eek: :rolleyes: :zonked: ) the limit for a single file is 4gb..

    You'll be fine with a mix n match in a nutshell..


    Can you tell we're on my pet subject here ?? ;)

    Time to get a life me thinks... :blush:
     
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    I've always used Ghost (via a Ghost boot disk/CD) and it has always been excellent. Enabling me to backup directly to a writeable DVD.

    However, since upgrading my drives to 2 x S-ATA drives (no IDE) the Ghost DOS screen just locks up with the mouse egg timer showing. Just cannot get it to load properly (at all) any more. Anyone have any ideas? Is it the S-ATA drives (though I thought Ghost 2003 worked with S-ATA drives)?

    Thanks, and sorry to thread hijack but it is sort of on topic :eek:
     
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    Are your SATA drives accessible via DOS before you run ghost?

    If they are..bizarre as it sounds I'd give an older version of ghost a try..
    I've had similar probs using ghost 7.5 across LAN when the PC has gigabit NIC installed.. the only workaround i could find was to revert back to trusty ol' 6.5 ( the last 'true' DOS version..)
     
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    oops it seems that Symantec has taken over the Drive Image software from Power Quest, and no longer offers a demo download....:(
     
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    Aha - explains why I couldn't find it - I'm usually quite good at "Googling"
    Might jsut get the chequebook out anyway.... interesting thread....
     
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    Must admit I far prefer Acronis trueimage. Even when restoring a boot disc the recovery disc yoo make with the package gives you the same gui the package itself runs in windows. No messing about in dos ( I'm a unix/linux man and dropping into a dos enviroment just goes against the grain these days)
     
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    Must admit, I tried a hard drive update via ghost the other week for my 2 desktop machines, one went fine but the second machine of almost identical spec just had the ghost boot floppy hang under loading. I ended up downloading a trial of acronis trueimage and it just worked fine. I'll probably buy it next time I need to do the same thing.
     

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