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Discussion in 'General TV Discussions Forum' started by DrScary, Jul 6, 2001.

  1. DrScary

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    I've been looking around for a decent 28" flat TV for sometime now. Whenever I see one I like or it gets a good review I search the bulletin boards for comments from others who have that particular TV.

    My problem is that it seems that most TVs have some problem or another, usually to do with the display. Call me old fashioned but isn't that what TVs are supposed to be good at - displaying moving images?

    I'm not gonna fork out all that money for a TV which I'm not going to be pleased with. Can't these manufactures get it right? I mean the TV isn't exactly new technology. We've had many decades with the gogglebox.

    Anyway, I'm off the soap box now. Isn't there a decent 28" flat screen TV out there which doesn't have any display problems?

    I've looked at Panny PK series, Phils 6515. The PK25, the PK3 are next at the top of my list. As is the JVCs wf

    Anyone care to comment?
     
  2. js

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    I'm in the same situation as you. Also looking for a 28" flat screen and want the best picture at a reasonableish price. I like the look of the JVC reviewed in HCC June edition and they say amazing picture etc etc but i'm sure they'll be complaints at some point :)
    You would think by now that TV technology was a lot more resilient.
     
  3. LV426

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    The problem is that most consumers are very price-conscious. You only have to look through posts on this forum to see how many buyers look for a "saving" of a few quid when buying kit. And magazine reviewers do the same - It's good but there's too much cheaper competition so only 5/10 or whatever.

    So, manufacturers build stuff down to a price rather than up to a standard.

    Trying to get a perfectly-formed image on a flat(tish) screen by scanning an electron beam from a single point is fundamentally unsound - yet this is exactly what CRTs do.

    So there has to be a raft of corrective electronics to make it come out right. The components are made to tolerances which are often not fine enough ('cos its cheaper that way) and factory adjustments are made "near enough" (again because to do more would cost more).

    So, it's a given thing, that whatever CRT TV you buy will have a natural predisposition to be poor, and that this natural predisposition will be corrected to a large extent (but probably not completely) by electronics. So you're down to playing the odds; is this make more likely to be set up right than another?

    Individual people's experiences are uninformative; everybody has had either a good one or a bad one. The more good and bad eperiences you can gather, the better chance you have of knowing what the odds are and playing accordingly.

    Or:

    (1) you could wait awhile until other technologies, not as prone to geometry and convergence and regulation problems, get more affordable - like Plasma and LCD.

    (2) you could just go and buy the cheapest thing you can find (and live with its failings) until (1) becomes true.
     
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    I'm in the same boat as you Dr S.
    I have found a Tosh 28" flat screen (model 28Z05B) for £513 on qed's web site,but i cannot find any reviews of it any where???
     
  5. Nike

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    Have you considered Sony?
    I have a KV28FX20, which is the 'cooking' model (50hz, nicam (don't use the speakers anyway)) and other than wanting something bigger, I cant fault it.
    Most of the reviews I saw for it criticised it for poor value for money.(RRP£900),but as I paid £550 new this wasn't an issue.
    Some of the TVS I've seen that retail for £4/500 look horrendous by comparison.
    Just my £0.02, I'll probably hear some Sony horror stories now :D
     
  6. bigH007

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    Check out the website www.dooyoo.co.uk and on click "ELECTRONICS". In there you can find more personal reviews of Televisions that people have bought. Hope this helps.

    I myself have been looking at the Sony KV28FX65. Then someone said that there is a new range of pannies coming out soon that is "all singing all dancing" So I am waiting to see if there will be a review on them, so that I can make my final decision.
     
  7. MartinImber

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    Look at Sony KV28DX30
     
  8. Piglet

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    if you want the best 28" picture with no problems wait for the 28PL10 coming out at the end of august. its a 100hz set, designer, but it will have afairly steap retail price of about £1000. its sad that you have to pay so much for quality and satisfaction. but you can pay 2000 and still not be happy considering the problems. that pany i mentioned is the first which shouldnt have 100hz problems and still has a sharpness ascociated with 50hz tv;s. HOWEVER, if you want a tv NOW, and dont mind having 50hz then the panasonic 28pk3 is the best by quite a way. it has the kind of sharpness and definition to die for on a 28" scale which dosnt highlight the 50hz flicker too much. the sony 28fx65 is more expensive and is also considerably worse. it has major line tizzing, a green tint to the picture and the brightness of the picture is always too intense regardless of settings adjustments.
     
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    Drscary - I completely agree with your comments. I desperatly want a widescreen, but there seems to be so many problems with the various models, which I've personally never come across with 'normal' TVs.
     
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    besides the noticible flicker, i can reccomend the panasonic 28pk3 as the best 28" widecreen. i downgraded from the 28pk25 as i hated the 100hz smearing. as a result, the pictures are now the most detailed and clean available at the 28" size. trust me, its the best in its particular field. there are a lot of people on these forums with 28pk3 and 32pk3 televisions. please check it out. you wont be dissapointed if its a 28" 50hz set you are looking for.

    <a href="http://www.unbeatable.co.uk" target="_blank">http://www.unbeatable.co.uk</a> check that address for the best price on it too.
     
  12. Nic Rhodes

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    There is no best tv despite what people may tell you. Everyone is a balance of priorities / compromises. You just need to know what you are willing to compromise on.

    Many people are perfectly satisfied with what they have. The guy / girl next door might think it awful. When the faults are pointed out to people there is no turning back. Many previously satisfied people soon become dissatisfied with their purchases once the limitations have been pointed out to them. Knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    It seems like a no win situation, it isn't. Internet / box shifters are the worst situation for you. You need to find a tv specialist and explain what you are after, they will steer you in the correct direction. This isn't a comet, currys, sony centre or any of the internet sites. It is a specialist. With the correct help you will find a tv to suit your requirements. It might cost more but YOU will be satisfied, and that is all that matters.

    Just for the record, the best tv pictures I have seen are on a curved tube, it is easier to get right but fashion dictates that flat in the current black. Fashion isn't always right (hint).

    Avoid people justifying their own selection, this will not be right for you (but personal recommendations are always worth considering). Don't forget most people set up tvs terribly and a poor set, out of the box, can be made to look very good by simple setting adjustments, which a peculiar to your situation. This is not difficult to do well but professionals will take this even further.

    Frankly most people don't know what they are doing re tvs.
     

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