Discussion in 'Freeview & YouView' started by Timh, Feb 8, 2004.
Read the news here
Great! and i have just purchased a Humax PVR which doesn't have a card reader
Surely if using the old On-dodgy boxes it will use the same encryption which has already been compromised????
Firstly will topup TV ever get off the ground.
Secondly where do I get a Elvis programmer from?
get one really cheap on ebay now!
That article says it's confirmed and launching in March .
I heard the rumors many months ago and thought we'd be waiting for the switch off?
Where is the capacity coming from? (please tell me the shopping channels are going )
E4 and Sky1 are the only reasons why I would buy.
This has been in the pipe line for a while, makes you wonder how the proposed launch of various channels under the Freeview banner were affected when the various marketing people learnt they could be part of a subscription deal on DTT.
I am stunned that the government first allowed the non Freeview broadcasters on DTT to remain on a transmission protocol that was biased in terms of capacity at the expanse of coverage and reliability, ovbviously they wanted the capacity and now we know why. It is a huge setback for Freeview that the DTT market will now fragment as potential customers are confused by the "free" aspect of DTT and the pay services not to mention the possible reduction in inovation and increase in prices as STB manufacturers offer PAY equipped hardware.
The capacity under the Freeview license can not be used for PAY services which leaves the few remaining channels left on the other muxes which when offered included the provision to carry PAY channels.
Existing channels will probably have long term contracts which means unless they default they will remain on DTT.
Don't be suprised when DTT licences are renewed for the ones offering paytv, to either hand them over for sale (to mobile phone companies, or DTT broadcasters), or have the pay aspect of their licences removed. One things for sure though TopupTV won't last
Titsup TV will only work on old dodgy boxes - not even IDTVs
Not even ones with CAM's?
I was under the impression there were only 2 free slots left with the rest of the capacity on each mux already in use.
Even with timesharing you cannot fit that many channels into 2 channels and still expect people to pay that much for it.
Am I wrong about the current capacity?
They've updated the website which shows the broadcast times for each channel along with more info.
i can help with aprogrammer
I have a CAM but it does not mention them on the web site at all.
I also have two Ondigital cards - now £3 per month for 15 channels was good, £8 for 4 or 5 is poor value.
This will fail - do not bother trying to get old Dodgyboxes, Freeview consortium are trying to get TitsupTV stopped. Say goodbye to the Setanta sports channel TitsupTV have their service space now, possibly say goodbye to Disney as well as they were looking at launching on SDN.
The current campaign against TitsupTV involves trying to hack it at start because we don't want Freeview damaged, we have already lost one FTA channel due to their meddling, we may lose a couple more.
Sounds good in theory, but what a dismal channel lineup. I really can't see this working.
Personally I think this whole idea of "Top Up TV" is very, very bad. Even now with a totally free digital service producers are reluctant to put digital tuners in their kit - even top-end stuff like HDD/DVDR combos that are crying out for it. The addition of a pay service is just going to make them even more reluctant. And the confusion it will cause consumers will only hamper the sales of digital receivers.
IMHO the Freeview model works and works well. If people want top-up TV they should get Sky or Cable. Especially given that, as someone pointed out earlier, the channel line up is awful. The only half decent channel in UK Gold - and it's been 5 years at least since they showed anything worth watching!
Ok... your not all that keen on the idea of topup tv, for those that are, go to channel 26 on freeview to see the rolling advert.
Loads of people care about the speed and reliability of a box, and OnDigital boxes are offcourse a piece of ageing equipment they look so antique on the barker honestly even with a polish lol.
For all you no when you get your "Top Up TV Card" and perform a encryption update the whole thing might blow a gasket.
If they wanted a serious pay service they would be patient and wait for new boxes to come out before launching this dreadful service.
And if E4 gets major EPG positions will channel 14 then its a shambles, shame on Ofcom.
Let me again clarify why the channels available are not adequate and why you would be ripped of by paying for this:
1) TCM, Boomerang were free-to-air until recently.
2) Bloomberg was free channel on some form of satellite until recently.
3) UK Style and UK Food are exactly what UK BrightIdeas is modelled at, almost every show on these channels have terrestrial rights, shown on BBC1 or UK BrightIdeas that's why we pay the tv listen.
4) E4 is basically a glorified reality inhabited version of channel 4's main stream analogue channel, only nerds would subscribe to such a god forbidden channel.
5) TVX - well again its a nerds channel, for sad losers and pedophiles after a virtual kick because they can't get any real sex.
6) Cartoon Network - well again allot of thier shows have terrestrial rigths allready shown on Freeview, for example SpongeBob Squaresants and correct me if i am wrong but itsa free channel in Europe anyway right so all you would need is a satteliet to pick it up. (Also allot of thier shows are dissshed out to ITV Plc for daytime Chilrends tv.
7) UK Gold - well again it was previously shown free, just because its got archived why should it be pay.
Discovery is the only channel which would interest me, it's in the Sky's base pack at £13.50 and i could get much loved Sky One and have my Freeview box on AV2 so i get the best of both worlds, however right now i have little interest in pay tv ventures as i am happy with Freeview.
Honestly why would you want to subscribe to prevoiusly free content, meaning you would have to use againg eqipment for the privelage of picking it up.
Don't be fooled people!
People who say:"Top-Up TV can give them a few extra channels" well..Which offers no much different from we have got, UK Food/UK Style - UKBI's shows most of it. UK Gold - BBC One/Two/ITV repeats, E4, nerds channel basicly a a glorified channel 4, Bloomberg - well it's a specialist, the average family are hardly going to want ot check up on exchange rates are they lol?, anyway Deckin Curry is just as good on BBC News 24, get regular finical updates every half hour, of press red for multiscreens playback. Cartoon Network/Boomerang - Yawn, half their content has terrestrial rights, in other words FREE already, TVX, geeks, pedo channel like i said, TCM well quite good, not worth paying for when it was previously free, Discovery is not a bad channel but nothing special, let me see if they had:
4 - 5 slots with...
1. Sky One - 24/7
2. British Eurosport - 27/7
3. Paramount Comedy Channel instead of UK Gold 27/7
4. VH1 Classic
and if they could have a 5th service Discovery 27/7 and maybe Playboy TV for the nerds during any of the channels downtime then i would consider subscribing, that's my idea of a topup, even still they would need to be a better company more employees and made their own STB's rather than a 11 channel line-up chopping channel schedules so they can make it sound like you're getting more channels, bit like Freeview saying 60 servies but only 24 streams + radio + text.
My idea of premium is stuff on Sky Sports where it CAN'T be shown on terrestrial that's my view.
You no folks, a little birdie told me that about ITV Digital then 800,000 of us woke up one Wednesday morning to find this on all the channels we subscribed to gone..
Some called it the saddest day in Television history until a new service backed by the BBC launched in October 2002.
Let's give it..erm 6 months before we see similar scenes this time it will only be on 4 channels and by then the "bricks" will be laid for these new free-to-air channels in 2005.
For all the dedicated freeview'ers like myself out there, just sit back, relax and enjoy the ride!
Hee hee. I dropped my Nokia 221T and a flap at the front opened, revealing a card slot!
I never knew it was there. (OK, I know, RTFM).
I'm not keen on Elvis, though. I thought he was dead. Are the Elvis programmes going to be old black and white re-runs?
As there are only four programme "slots" left, are these "topup" programmes going to be time-sharing? So UK Style will only be on when everyone is at work? Oh great.
To be honest pirating TitsUp TV will help the cause of Freeview.
This is a complete reversal of Ondigital, if TUTV takes off this could seriously hurt Freeview
The following schedule is on the TopupTV web site:
It will need an OAD like the Pace to decode the encryption signals.
OK Will TIts up TV work on Freeview boxes with slot? IE Pace twin? Anyone want sell me a load of pirate cards (free would be better) and kill it, Encryption cant be that different to ITV digital very limited update capability, are they counting on people not bothering (ie pro hackers as its not worth the risk for the money, has price of ondodgy boxes risen? on ebay etc?
Website does say that a CAM will be available at some point.
According to various saddos who have been registering Titsup will only work with Ondigital boxes - not Ondigital CAMS nor any other card reader equipped box.
As a large number of Ondigital boxes have been scrapped, sold ect they are being stupid not having CAMs and existing boxes working.
I have two Ondigtal cards a CAM and I will not be able to get it (if I was willing to pay - which I am not)
Basically, do these elvis things create a car to get this tp up tv without subscribing? can someone make me 1
[please don't request assistance through the board to circumvent encryption safegaurds on encrypted television channels - lynx]
This is the History not the how to do it!
Elvises were used to do cards for Ondigital.
In a number of ways
They were heavily advertised during Ondigital era.
Most details were posted on newgroups - filling up some.
Most common was opening a subscription up ie basic to full.
Second lapsed card reindentity
Third the gold cards - whatever they were!
BTW I never pirated and I haven't seen an Elvis - but they are legend now!
The hack was for Seca (rumoured that a large sattelite company helped to fund it's breaking)
Titsup are supposed to be going to Seca2
so "in theory" is it possibly to do it for this new serivce?
read the edit to your previous post - lynx
Yep Tits-up-TV will fail, what a shambles, apparently they only need 200K subs to break-even.
Seca 2 will be used hence the non-(c+)cam update. You never know whats round the corner if a few competitors start (as they have in Europe), might need to employ those Israeli labs again to un-ravel the card system (as is happening in Europe) to weaken the competition and move leverage... Only a thought!
Two rash statements there.
Seca 2 won't come cheap, do tutv have the resources to fund this ? Bear in mind the investment required against the income the service may generate.
Must be launched soon as they've just advertised it on UK BrightIdeas.
No min. subscription period I'm quite happy to pay for this , the extra UK Gold is just what I need for Dad's Army repeats. Importantly it's cheaper than the second $ky sub that I recently ditched.
This service could have been made specifically for me
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