Freeview retune day: 19th September 2012

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    DMOL, the organisation overseeing the management of the digital terrestrial television platform in the UK has today confirmed that there will be a reshuffle of Freeview channel numbers around midday on the 19th September 2012.

    DMOL - Consultations
    a516_digital: 19th September 2012: Freeview Retune Day

    In brief: HD channel range to be 101-120
    Adult channels 171-199
    (both a change to proposals raised earlier this year)

    Food Network would move up to 48, Jewellery Channel would move to 49!!
     
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    Do I remember correctly that the news channels are due to move as well?
     
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    Yep, children's channels will move to the 120s and news to the 130s - see original link posted above for the full, proposed list.

    IMO, moving BBC One HD to 101, BBC2 HD (as it will become) to 102, ITV HD to 103 (etc) is a good thing.
     
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    Notice they have allocated S4C HD to 105 in wales, this is probably only a temporary allocation as I understand it closing altogether. In which case I wonder if channel 5 will be tempted to rethink HD on freeview and claim 105?
     
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    Channel 5 has itself stated in its response to the recent DMOL consultation on channel numbering on Freeview that 5HD would come to Freeview, mentions something along the lines of 2 years and cities commercial and regulatory issues for not coming to Freeview HD so far.
     
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    Sky has lodged an appeal with Digital Terrestrial TV platform manager DMOL against its decision to move Sky News from channel 82 to channel 133 on 19th September. As a consequence, the children's and news channels are staying put for the time being, with the rest of the changes taking place as planned.
     
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    This link has now been updated in respect to the Sky appeal
     
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    In my opinion sky are being just being stubborn and stupid, News Genera starts 130 a lot closer to the top than sky own news epg genera therefore its in the same place in that genera as it was in the old system. It can not stay in the same place they would be the entertainment Genera.
     
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    Surprise change: Al Jazeera English has moved to channel 84 from channel 89. Thought they wouldn't move channels this close to a general EPG reshuffle date.
     
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    Another week, another move... Al Jazeera's Evening service is now on channel 83. Sigh.
     
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    Why can't both services have the same number after all it the same service or is it because they use the a different multiplex ?
     
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    No one knows why they can't share the same number. Russia Today did when it transmitted on two different slots on the same multiplex before it went 24 hours. I hope time will tell. I'm not sure though.
     
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    update on the above: The difference between the two Al Jazeera's on Freeview is that the morning one isn't always a direct simulcast of the main version, also distributed on satellite and livestation. It has been showing pre-recorded news bulletins. Full clarification here: a516_digital: Al Jazeera on Freeview: clarification of when and where to see the channel following changes

    No further changes are expected prior to 19th September's retune date.

    By the way, multiplex operator Arqiva has purchased Connect TV, who run the Freeview IP hybrid platform, available to compatible Freeview HD receivers. Connect TV's services appear from channel 110 upwards on Freeview (changing from 19th September).
     
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    Perhaps that should be "compatible Freeview HD receivers that Connect has bothered to ensure are not misidentified". Believe it or not Connect does not recognise the Humax DTR T1000 as compatible! As Arqiva are shareholders in Youview, maybe that will change or Connect will be added to the Yv "On Demand" menu.
     
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    Will I have to retune if my channel numbers are asigned manualy? I wouldn't think so as the frequencies are going to be the same, or am I wrong?

    I use built in HD tunner in my Sony KDL40HX723.
     
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    I presume you have changed the channel numbers to your own listing so, for example BBC One, Two, Three and Four are on your TV's channels 1, 2, 3 and 4?

    Some of the data within the stream will change so your TV may recognise these as a change requiring it to trigger a retune, allocating the new LCNs to the various channels.
     
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    Yeah.. BBC One HD, BBC2, ITV1 HD, ITV1+1, Channel 4 HD.... are on my channels 1,2,3,4,5.... I've got all of them from all 6 multiplexes sorted in my own order and some rubbish tv sale ones completely deleted.

    What's LCN? EDIT: Never mind.. just googled it ;) Fingers crossed I won't have to change anything.. I will find out on the day. More troubles for Panasonic TV owners with those changes I suppose.
     
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    You may want to think about keeping the standard 101 for BBC OneHD, 102 for BBC Two HD(BBC HD for the time being), 103 for ITV1 HD and 104 for Channel 4HD which was designed to correct the mess of the 50s series.

    I can see one potential source of confusion in the slide BBC OneHD display during regional opt-outs. It will be on channel 101 telling people to retune to "101/1"
     
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    Hopefully that will only be a temporary thing till the BBC get its act together and provides HD regional outputs.
     
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    Tyne Tees region changes over in two stages on the 12th & 26th September. Do the changes on the 19th mean that we will have to retune three times? If so, will people who have registered for the help scheme get three visits? Or am I missing the obvious?
     
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    Is this reshuffle largely about moving the HD channels to the 100 range? I ask, as I'll be away on business on 19/09 so won't be able to re-tune then. I have some stuff series-linked on the HD channels. If the SD channels (BBC1, C4, etc.) aren't affected then I can at least use those to get around the change.

    I am getting pretty bored with this though. Not one of my boxes auto-tunes to take care of this, and they're all pretty new.

    TIA


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    All main (non-adult) standard definition channels, except Food Network are staying put according to the information we have.
     
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    If you don't have an auto tuning box don't bother retuning on the 19th. All main services stay the same, and most parts of Tyne Tees don't have Freeview HD. (Pontop Pike transmitter broadcasts a low powered service until stage 2).
     
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    Thanks for the reply.

    I did get Freeview HD from Pontop Pike until mid-August, hopefully the coming upgrade will restore the HD chanels to my Panasonic.

    David
     
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    Is this re-tune actually happening? I've seen none of the supposed pop-up messages telling that I need to re-tune yet. Actually, thinking about it, if someone spends all their time watching BBC1 HD rather than BBC1 they're unlikely to see the messages at all. All very confusing .....


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    And these views are the ones that need to see this messages as it the HD channels that will be changing numbers. As normal bbc, itv and ch 4 chanel numbers stay the same.
     
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    More changes announced by UKTV
    New Freeview EPG numbers for Dave, Yesterday, Really and GOLD

    Dave and Yesterday swap channel numbers (12 and 19)

    Really and Gold swap channel numbers (17 and 20)


    From EPG manager DMOL
    DMOL - Home

    Argos TV channel on channel 55

    Channel 51 - 53 reserved for RTE1,2 and TG4 on the NIMux serving parts of Northern Ireland from 24th October 2012.

    My website (links in posts above) will be updated shortly.
     
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    Just been thinking if Sky were to win there appeal (personally I don't they got chance in hell), then I think this will open the flood gates for other channesl to follow to mount a challenge. With the change ITV1 HD & C4HD go further down the list as BBC HD goes above them.
     
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    But BBC HD turns into BBC Two HD, so the HD channels will be ordered like their standard definition counterparts. As operator of digital multiplexes, ITV plc (via its subsidary SDN and its share in D3&4) is a stakeholder in DMOL, who came up with the channel numbering. Sky in contrast is not a stakeholder in DMOL.
     
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    The situation has changed since my first reply the other day-- Following today's announcement that UKTV channels will be swapping channels, you may want to retune in the Tyne Tees regions on the 19th September, unless you don't mind having the services on their old numbers for another week.
     

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