Freesat box suitable for older folk

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    1. alpdel

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      Bit of a long shot!

      Parents both pension age have freesat but no recording facility. They often ask to get programmes recorded for them (I have a DVD recorder device). These requests occur when programmes clash or they are away from home.

      As Christmas approaches what options are there for freesat box which is easy to use?

      They do happen to have a twin satellite feed already in their house but steadfastly refuse to have broadband! So am minded the latest boxes need internet to work properly.

      Is there anything basic suitable?
       
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      On the latest Humax twin tuner PVRs internet access is only required for on demand/catchup and pay services. It is not needed for normal viewing/recording. There is no alternative manufacturer of the latest generation Freesat boxes
       
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      Thanks for reply. I wasn't sure how integrated internet would be; good to know!
       
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      Virtually all satellite receivers do not need broadband to receive and record. The broadband is an added not an integral function. The vast majority of sat recievers will have a PVR function, either internally to a hard disc or externally to a usb port for a memory stick or a usb drive.
       
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      There's another feature on a G2 Freesat box that require the internet, namely showcase recommendations.

      There is also a cheaper single tuner box that records to a usb drive that might suit them.

      It can record one and view another from the same transponder.

      Humax HB-1100s Smart Freesat Receiver (Now with WiFi)
       

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      I thought all Freesat TV's could record if you plug in a usb drive.
       
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      Maybe current models not early models.
       
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      Mine is about 4 yrs old, it can record. Having two twin tuner Freesat+ boxes I don't use it to record though.
       
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      The one I had and now passed a few years ago is about nine years old now.
       
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      Not a lot of use for single tuner versions (vast majority) when there's a programme clash, though as the TVs lock the tuner to the recording channel!

      I'd advise a PVR and decent sized hard disk as an 'all in one' solution even though a box + usb hard drive would be cheaper. Refurbished boxes from Humax Direct are usually 'as new' and a bit cheaper than from a retailer; but a decent local retailer support (and extended warranty perhaps) might be worth it in this instance?
       
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      It really depends on the age of these pensioners and whether they have a comfort with high tech kit. An internal hard drive in a premium freesat box is probably the best way to go. When you read what the original poster said, he said they dont have and don't want internet and they want to occassionally record something when they are out. Giving too much choice and options just confuses.
      You need to see it from their viewpoint... They want to record Strictly .. results on sunday when they are expected elsewhere for sunday tea.
      So my recommendation would be a reasonable priced freesat single tuner box with integral hard drive.. the tv set to the hdmi output of the box and only using the on off switch on the tv.
      If that is pricey, then a non freesat box but with integrated hard drive
      And finally if that is pricey a non freesat box and external usb stick of 128Gb
      The advantage of the freesat is that it gives a better programme guide and can handle a programe starting a few minutes later.
       
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      Can you get a Freesat box with an HDD and only one tuner? I don't think so. OP's parents have two LNB inputs anyway.
      A non Freesat box would be a particularly bad choice for the OP's parents, as there is no sensible EPG for advance recording scheduling.
       
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      That would be useless for them as the requests for recordings are for clashes
       
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      Not with an internal HDD. There are two that have all the features of the twin tuner models except for a single tuner and require a usb portable drive to enable time shifting and recording. This includes a DLNA client. Good choice as a 2nd box if paired with a Freeview-HD TV (or even a freesat TV).

      eg Discontinued model - same as new one apart from case and no built in WiFi

      HB 1000s - Freesat - humaxdirect

      New model with WiFi and pie crust case :)

      Humax HB-1100s Smart Freesat Receiver (Now with WiFi)

      A lot depends on how many programmes the OP's parents want to record. If the odd one, one feed for the box and the other for the TV. When recording if channel choice to be viewed not available from HBxxxxS then switch to TV tuner.

      If for instance recording BBC 1 - HD then BBC 2 -HD will be watchable and has live pause (and vice versa). You can even set the box to switch to BBC 2 - HD to watch a specific programme via the epg.

      At £39.00 (plus a usb drive - 1TB about £40.00) compared to a twin tuner model it's clearly a much cheaper option. If the TV has Freeview then of course that is yet another viewing choice.

      Of course if the op's parents could be persuaded to get broadband, the smart Freesat boxes have lots of catch up options and the excellent subscription Netflix streaming service.
       
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      What TV does not have Freeview? :)
       
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      None of them.:rotfl: But I suspect that GLT was really referring to the availability of an aerial connection to the set.
       
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      Or live in a location with very poor or none existent terrestrial reception.
       
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      Thanks all who have taken time to post. Very useful information. Should I consider the 1000s option(cheaper way to show them the benefits!), any recommendations as to the USB drive? Am guessing it would be a portable HDD type and need to be powered independently?
       
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      A usb hard disk usually needs external power, but many can actually be powered from their host via the usb lead these newer models are more frugal. If they need independent power they will come with a psu. Whether the host can supply the necessary power , depends on the hard disk. A number of tvs come with the necessary auxiliary usb connectors. A usb memory stick on the other hand is self contained and 64Gb units will be cheaper than any usb hd. ..which might be 100 times bigger.
       
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      Drives known to work. (Any drive described as portable should be OK - this means it works with the current available from the box usb port)

      HB - Is this unit PVR ready « My Humax Forum

      The box won't work with memory sticks, it needs to be a proper hard disk and if I remembder correctly at least 160GB. It needs to be able to create the time shift buffer file that will work with HD channels.
       
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      500GB laptop external drive comes in at less than £50 and will most likely power from the box's USB port. Job done.
      See GLT's post above. He posted whilst I was typing.
       
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      A drive designated portable is designed to work when powered only by the USB cable. Buy one from Amazon, if it doesn't work you can return it.

      eg

      https://www.amazon.co.uk/Maxtor-Sli...94521&sr=8-4&keywords=1tb+portable+hard+drive
       
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      I have a couple of non freesat and non freeview recievers boxes with pvr functions from different manufacturers ... Not humax and they have no difficulty in recording onto usb sticks. So it must be a particular attribute of 5he humax .
       
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      .. but they already have two feeds and a working freesat box. So the auxiliary one does the recording while they watch the main one... You might see it as messy , they might well see it as continuity with standard practice and then connecting up or switching to the new box for the extra.
       
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      Do any of them provide live pause ? This is provided by a single file that is constantly written and overwriiten. That's a lot of data reading and writing to the same location. That will wear out a usb stick in a relatively short time.
       
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      Obviously a hdd is a better technical solution, .. at least 10 times the capacity and as you say if a humax device were purchased the only solution. But the cheapest is a non freesat box and a memory stick. The combination would be about the third of the price of the better solution. Others might find the live pause, slow motion and short time delay as valuable features in a recorder ,but I would have found them gimmicks. The ability to record an entire programme for viewing a few days later is about the only thing I would use a PVR function for.
       
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      But does not fit with the OP's requirement of Freesat.
      {for pension age parents}. :facepalm:This question was pretty much answered at post #2 and followed up with an alternative (cheaper) Freesat solution at post#5:rotfl:
       
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      I can't see most elderly parents coping with keeping up with the constant changes that FTA channels make or coping setting recordings without the assistance of a proper epg either. The whole point of Freesat is

      1 Changes are automatically made without the user even being aware of it.

      2 Being able to locate a programme in the epg, click OK on it and follow the prompts to record a single programme or the complete programme. Freesat also gives the broadcaster the capability to auto start and stop recordings when the times deviate from the scheduled times.

      Example auto changes since September this year.

      12-Sep-17 Channel deleted 251 Bike 11306 H Channel added 252 Freesports 11426 V
      28-Sep-17 Transponder Change 167 QUEST and 169 QUEST RED from 11426 V to 12382 H
      3-Oct-17 Name Changes 302 True Movies to True Christmas and 303 True Movies +1 to True Xmas +1
      10-Oct-17 Name change 802 QVC Extra to QVC Christmas
      26-Oct-17 Transponder change 691 DAYSTAR HD 11612 H to 11685 V
      31-Oct-17 Name Change 141 Spike to 5Spike, transponder change 11263 H to 11597 V 151 Travel Ch +1, 213 CHANNELS24 and 505 Vintage TV
      14-Nov-17 Name change 506 Heart TV to Heart Xmas
      22-Nov-17 Transponder change 808 TJC Choice 11223 H to 11082 H and 810 IDEAL EXTRA 11223 H to 11597 V
      28-Nov-17 Channels added to 12382 H 168 QUEST +1 and 170 QUEST RED +1
       
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      You don't have to be an elderly parent for Freesat to be the best option.
      For most it's the only sensible option, even though there are so few machines.
       
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