Forget 7900GT Get yourself an X1800XT

Discussion in 'PC Gaming & Rigs' started by Syfer, Aug 4, 2006.

  1. Syfer

    Syfer
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    3,229
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Ratings:
    +99
    Probably going to have the Nvidia Fanboys on my case about this but I feel compelled to share it with you all as I am so impressed.

    All I can say is the X1800XT 256 is amazing!

    I recently bought a 7900GT to upgrade my X850XTPE. It was great at first, my 3Dmark 05 scores went from just under 7k to just under 9k.....Until it started flashing up artifacts everywhere & then stopped working after just a few hours of FEAR! No overclocks just stock speeds used.

    Did a bit of digging on the web & found this to be a major issue with the 7900?? So I decided to go back to ATI & swapped it for the X1800XT 256. This cost £50 less than the 7900 (£160 all in) so I did not expect any gains over the 7900.....

    To my suprise I got 9965 straight out of the box!! This is on a machine that needs rebuilding after simply uninstalling Forceware & installing ATI Cat. Going to try and break 10k later when I rebuild the rig.

    It does run a little hot with stock cooling, I saw 75 degrees after 2 hrs with ATI Tool at stock speeds but my Zalman helped bring this down to a max of 65 after the same 2 hrs.

    If you are looking for a new card around £150, you should take a look at one of these. I am a very happy camper!

    Scott
     
  2. semiskimmed

    semiskimmed
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2005
    Messages:
    5,117
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Nottingham
    Ratings:
    +259
    theyre great cards but do run hot, not really an issue as the stock cooler gets rid of the heat out the back of the case anyways. theyre designed to run hot anyways, mine is classed as the 2nd radistor in the room :rotfl:
    dont forget AA+HDR now too :cool:
     
  3. meansizzler

    meansizzler
    Banned

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    7,892
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    104
    Location:
    London
    Ratings:
    +343
    They run hotter than the X850XT but not by that much maybe 5 degrees, fitted a Zalman Cooler to mine and running at 50 degrees idle, and I have a Soundcard in the 3rd PCI slot which blocks airflow to the fan so it would even cooler...
     
  4. Syfer

    Syfer
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    3,229
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Ratings:
    +99
    Yeh the stock cooler does a good job, & I like the way it send the hot air out of the case but..... I saw a drop of around 10o on the GPU with my Zalman VF700-CU.

    I know it sends the heat back into the case so I have added more system fans. I have an Antec Sonata II case that is now fully loaded with 4 fans, so I have 1x120mm intake that sits about 10mm from the end of the card, a 1x120 that exhausts near the back of the card & an 80mm that blows sideways onto the card.

    Its a little more noisy now with the fans turned up but the temps are right down. There is also scope for reducing fan speeds when the weather gets a little cooler......

    Overall the X1800 is now running around the same temps as the X850, so I am happy with that.

    I was however shocked to see the card pulling 24.5 Amps! It's a beast!! X850 pulled around 18A.

    Scott
     
  5. Repton

    Repton
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2003
    Messages:
    1,211
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Location:
    Wirral
    Ratings:
    +135
    can't wait till i get my X1900XTX (Accelero X2) running!!:D
    just waiting for a new CPU!
     
  6. Degas

    Degas
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2004
    Messages:
    191
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +1
    mmmmm this makes me nervous as I have just ordered a 7900GT.....
     
  7. drskhaled

    drskhaled
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2005
    Messages:
    1,541
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Location:
    London
    Ratings:
    +108
    hmm the thing that puts me off x1800 is the size of em they take up 2 slots last time i checked. Also some 7900gt's will run on a 350w psu so my piddly psu will cope. Havent bought a new card yet but am looking to replace in coming months as my 6800gs is sweating a bit now. The ati cards while undoubtedly have their benefits are usually too big or power hogs which puts me off em. Interesting that it achieved a better 3dmark as most reviews give the 7900gt the upperhand (only just), maybe the card itself was a dud? anyway what does it matter so long as your happy eh? But it gives me some food for thought as i was nearly sold on 7900gt as my next purchase. looks like i'll have to do some more research.
     
  8. Syfer

    Syfer
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    3,229
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Ratings:
    +99
    Very nice, they must really fly!

    What CPU you going for?
     
  9. Syfer

    Syfer
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    3,229
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Ratings:
    +99
    My latest experience has put me right off NV. Funny though, my 6600GT in the kitchen has never missed a beat!
     
  10. meansizzler

    meansizzler
    Banned

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    7,892
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    104
    Location:
    London
    Ratings:
    +343
    All the new cards require two slots, even single slot cards as you need to get good airflow to the fan, so can't get away with a single slot, with the Zalman Vf900 fitted not uncommon to ocuppy 3 slots, as although you need two slots a pci card in 3rd slot can block airflow to the fan, especially if it is a Long PCI card...and yes the ATI cards are HUGE but as long as you have 9.6" clearence in your case, which is the length of a motherboard you should not worry, I managed to fit an X1800XT in a Silverstone SUGO SFF, so you shouldn't worry...
     
  11. Syfer

    Syfer
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    3,229
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Ratings:
    +99
    Yep, 2 slot cooling, but I use an aftermarket cooler that takes 2 slots anyway so it would have used 2 with the 7900. But saying that, I dont think I would like to put a card next to any of the new cards out there, they need lots of room to breath. It is a long card though, but you do seem to get more for your money. The 7900 was also kind of flimsy compared.

    The 3Dmark scores seem fairly consistent, a friend of mine has a 7800GTX with an X2 4400 & I am beating him with his score of 9500ish, much to his dismay:)

    Big power monster too, it pulls over 24amps on load! You could always use the £50 saved over the 7900 to buy a PSU though, lots of good PSU's out there for little more than this.
     
  12. booyaka

    booyaka
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2002
    Messages:
    11,054
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Location:
    .
    Ratings:
    +3,580
    they are nice!!!

    Got my X1900XT with a X2 cooler in it - super fast. (even @ stock levels)

    you'll love it !!
     
  13. james.miller

    james.miller
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2002
    Messages:
    2,616
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    86
    Ratings:
    +143
    the 7900 series are having huge huge problems at the moment. I wouldnt normally say it but i dont recomment anybody touch them untill its sorted. 7900's are dropping like flies and despite efforts from evga and such, they are still having problems.
     
  14. HMHB

    HMHB
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2001
    Messages:
    27,399
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Location:
    Nottinghamshire
    Ratings:
    +6,269
    Sorry to go off topic slightly, but does anyone know where I can get a Gainward Bliss 512MB GLH 7800GT to match the one I already have so that I can go SLI ? They don't seem to be available any more :(
     
  15. BYF

    BYF
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2005
    Messages:
    3,048
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings:
    +235
    where did you find a x1800xt for £150?
     
  16. james.miller

    james.miller
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2002
    Messages:
    2,616
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    86
    Ratings:
    +143
    ocuk are selling 256mb 1800xt's for £152
     
  17. BYF

    BYF
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2005
    Messages:
    3,048
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings:
    +235
    thanks

    just seen they have the x1900xt for only £223 with VAT.

    they seem to have cheap prices :thumbsup:
     
  18. Brodel

    Brodel
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2005
    Messages:
    706
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    London
    Ratings:
    +24
    IMO I'd say forget both, get a midrange card, save yourself some money and wait for DX10 cards. That's if you are patient and not someone that constantly needs the latest and greatest.
     
  19. Syfer

    Syfer
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    3,229
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Ratings:
    +99
    Is £150 not a mid range card?
     
  20. Syfer

    Syfer
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    3,229
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Ratings:
    +99
    overclockers.co.uk.
     
  21. Syfer

    Syfer
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    3,229
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Ratings:
    +99
    Yeh, saw that, bargain!

    I wanted to minimise the spend due to the new DX10 cards out shortly, but also wanted an improvement over my X850.

    Could not justify the extra £90 for the X1900, I only got that for my X850XTPE second hand!
     
  22. Brodel

    Brodel
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2005
    Messages:
    706
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    London
    Ratings:
    +24
    For some I guess, personally I'd get a 6600GT off ebay for 60-70 quid and save a little extra, it only has to hold you over for 4-5 months. I'm not doubting the x1800xt is a great card, I agree and at £150 it's a good price.
     
  23. Syfer

    Syfer
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    3,229
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Ratings:
    +99
    A half decent new 6600GT from a reputable e-tailer is nearer £100 though & TBH mine in the kitchen PC runs at around a quarter to a third of the speed of the X18 depending on the game.

    I just feel the 'Bangs for Bucks' is much higher with the X18 over the 66.
     
  24. semiskimmed

    semiskimmed
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2005
    Messages:
    5,117
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Nottingham
    Ratings:
    +259
    the first wave of DX10 games (6 months atleast) wont be any better than dx9 games. so there no point in hanging back in buying really. just get the best you can do and just enjoy.
    COD2 is still being played in DX7 mode :rotfl:
     
  25. zedzed

    zedzed
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2004
    Messages:
    821
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    Linlithgow (nr. Edinburgh)
    Ratings:
    +13
    As I understand it DX10 is Vista only ... so it won't only be a GFX upgrade - you'll need an OS upgrade too.
    • Vista isn't likely to be shipped within 6 months - probably be a year before we're at Service pack 1 - which is the earliest I'd upgrade.
    • DX10 cards will initially cost top dollar
    • Games won't fully utilise it for a while

    £150 just now seems a reasonable investment ... you'll probably get at least £50 back for it in 12 months ... which you can put towards a £300+ DX10 card if you want ;)

    Dez
     
  26. WelshBluebird

    WelshBluebird
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2005
    Messages:
    2,511
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    86
    Location:
    Rhondda
    Ratings:
    +135
    You'll still be able to take advantage of DX10 cards in XP though, as both Nvidia and ATI are touting their DX10 cards to be the fastest DX9 cards aswell, so running DX9 on XP, a top end DX10 card, will probably be faster than a top end DX9 card.
     
  27. zedzed

    zedzed
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2004
    Messages:
    821
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    Linlithgow (nr. Edinburgh)
    Ratings:
    +13
    Hmmm. I remain a sceptic. Anyway ... I still think there will be a hefty premium to pay for these cards (as usual) - I can't see why anyone would buy a £300 GFX card now and then upgrade to a DX10 card when running XP. If the new cards are faster on DX9 as well I think it'll be marginal.

    Dez
     
  28. Dfour

    Dfour
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2004
    Messages:
    4,091
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    71
    Location:
    Bracknell
    Ratings:
    +86
    The best way to calm the heat of a X1900XT is to water cool it. I run mine at 38c on idle and 41c after 4 hours of BF2. Cool and quite

    Awesome card and worth the (now) £230 ish (I paid £315 for mine, the price of progress).

    I dont care about Vista or dx10 as its to far off to be bothered with yet and as mentioned before no decent dx10 games will come out for ages.
     
  29. booyaka

    booyaka
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2002
    Messages:
    11,054
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Location:
    .
    Ratings:
    +3,580
    agreed re the DX10 situation etc.

    If not watercooling should consider a artic cooler X2 for X1900Xt. banged one on mine and idles @ 48 ish max's at 65-68 after 2/3 hours of PRMM.

    P.S Paid £205 for mine 2nd hand (2 months old!!!)
     
  30. sunderland

    sunderland
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2003
    Messages:
    4,532
    Products Owned:
    2
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    northeast england
    Ratings:
    +242

Share This Page

Loading...