Forced "upgrade" from ATI x1950

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  1. RobMcM

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    I have a 512mb radeon x1950 that I got from a mate on the cheap - he'd been overclocking it and it's always been a little unstable, but just recently it's started overheating a few minutes into playing pretty much any game whatsoever. Therefore, I'm looking to replace it with something new, good value and a similar spec but I'm now completely out of touch with graphics cards.

    The important bits of my system are: Athlon 64 3200+, 2gb ram, 400W psu.. I know the processor is a bit of a bottleneck and that the psu might be a problem, but does anyone have any ideas for a card that would suit?

    I've been considering the GeForce 9600GSO from here (ASUS GeForce 9600GSO SLI 512MB GDDR2 TV-Out/Dual DVI PCI-Express - Retail) - any opinions? Would it do? How about ATI cards such as Asus ATI Radeon HD 4650 512MB DDR2 TV-Out/Dual DVI/HDMI (PCI-Express) - Retail...

    Thanks for any advice!

    Rob

    PS Tried a search but most people have systems far in excess of mine so I guess their situations are different...
     
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    How much are you looking to spend? For less than £100, and consuming less power than your current X1950, I'd recommend the Radeon 4770, should be around £75 and will be a big step up from the X1950, even though it will be a little CPU bound. :smashin:

    Edit: Oops, just clicked on your links to £40'ish cards, if you can't stretch to £75 for a 4770, I'd highly recommend a 4670 for £50'ish, got one in each of my machines at the moment, cracking cards with very low power requirements too. Take a look here for GPU comparisons - http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-2009/benchmarks,54.html and last year's chart with some older comparisons, including the X1950 - http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/chart...q3-2008/3DMark06-v1.1.0-3DMark-Score,794.html
     
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    Cheers Broona,

    I really don't think it's worth my while spending the extra for a card that is just going to be throttled by the CPU, which is why I thought something like the two I linked to would be fine.

    What do you know about the GeForce 9600GSO, or any other nVidia equivalents to what I've got at the moment? I was always an nVidia monkey until this free ATI card came along, so I don't have any brand loyalty to ATI at all! The recommendation of the 4670 is interesting though, food for thought. Thanks!

    :thumbsup:
     
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    Tomshardware recommends the ati 4670 here (Best PCIe Card: $60 To $110 : Best Graphics Cards For The Money: May '09) over the 9600gso for being $10 cheaper and only a slight dent in performance.

    Whereas you have found a 9600 gso which is £10 cheaper than the 4670's! :D

    So assuming you dont fancy the £20 more 9600gt, i would say that the Asus 512mb 9600 gso looks a very good bargain (as it should beat a standard 4670 in benchmarking (i can only find 384mb versions tested which fall slightly behind the 4670 HEXUS.net - Review :: XFX GeForce 9600 GSO XXX - mid-range monster or crippled competitor? : Page - 4/11)).
     
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    The 512mb version will be even slower.

    Nvidia are up to their old tricks with the 9600GSO and brought out a powerful initial G92 version and then replaced it with a slower G94 version with only half the number of stream processors. Hexus tested the faster version, as have most other reviews.

    Oddly, the novatech entry seems to be a mix of the two so whether nvidia/asus have since released another new version or whether it's a mistake I don't know.

    The novatech 9600GSO does have the slower DDR2 memory though.
     
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    Thankyou all for replies - it feels good to be back in the overwhelming confusion that always used to accompany me looking for a graphics card!

    One more simple answer needed: given my system (see 1st post) would I maintain the performance I currently get out of my ailing 512mb x1950 with:

    1. A GDDR2 4670 (ASUS HD 4650 1GB DDR2 VGA DVI HDMI out PCI-E Graphics Card - Ebuyer)

    or...

    2. Would it need to be as much as a GDDR3 4670 (ASUS HD 4670 1GB GDDR3 VGA DVI HDMI HDCP PCI-E Graphics Card - Ebuyer

    and am I right to assume that this 9800GT (Novatech GeForce 9800GT SLI 512MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI PCI-Express - Retail with PhysX, CUDA & 3D Stereo) would equal performance but be hugely throttled ?

    Sorry if I'm repeating myself I'm just keen not to waste my money to maintain the status quo.

    Thanks muchly for advice folks,

    Rob
     
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    The first card you linked to was a 4650, not a 4670, rubbish in comparison, and I have the 512mb version of the Asus 4670 you linked to, it ALWAYS sounds like a helicopter taking off, avoid it!

    A standard 4670 will be faster than your X1900 in most games, sum of gaming benchmarks at 1680x1050 here - Charts, benchmarks Gaming Graphics Charts Q3/2008, Sum of FPS Benchmarks 1680x1050 388fps for the 4670, 323fps for the X1900.

    There's no need to go for the 1gb card either, go for the cheapest 512mb card you can find, as the extra memory on these cards only comes into play at high resolutions/maximum AA/AF, and the 4670 isn't powerful enough to play at those settings anyway.

    Take a look at this one - Novatech ATI HD4670 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/DVI PCI-Express - Retail
     
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    Great stuff, thanks for your help. Just ordered that Novatech card, it'll be with me tomorrow!

    Hooray! :thumbsup:

    I'll let you know how it - and I - get on!

    Cheers again,

    Rob
     
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    The 4670 is slightly faster than your current card, if you go to the latest page of the Tom's Hardware link above then it tells you that the very fastest X1950 is equal to the 4650 DDR3 while the slowest is equal to the 4650 DDR2.
     
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    Happy to report that the 4670 arrived, installed without any problems and runs like a dream! Something was definitely seriously wrong with the x1950 - the benchmarks say there's not that much of a difference but I can now race round in Race07 at 1600x900, lots of AA and AF with full details on!

    Very happy, thankyou all so much for the advice!

    Rob
     

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