Answered Floorstanding vs On Wall...?

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    1. DannyBres

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      Hi,
      I am considering a Monitor Audio 7.1.4 setup. I original had my eye on the Radius 270 floorstanding speakers for my fronts. After some thought the layout of my room would benefit from nothing on the floor and something a bit slimmer, so i am considering wall mounting a pair of Radius 225 instead (my center will be the same).
      What will the difference be in sound between the two, if positions at the same height and width?
      I am not after the minutia of these particular speakers, just what are the trade-offs i should consider between floorstanding and on-wall speakers.
      Thanks,
      Daniel
       
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    3. Joe Fernand

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      The On-wall cabinets have less mid/bass Output so rely on your Sub to underpin the Front LCR - which is usually not a big problem for Movie viewing, assuming you can keep your Sub somewhere close to the Front speakers.

      For Music you could use the Floor Standing cabinets with your AVR set to 2.0 - you would want to have the AVR set to 2.1 with the Sub underpinning the Front LR if using the On-wall cabinets.

      On-wall usually means less time spent fine tuning the speaker positions and less chance to make the small incremental changes you can achieve with Floor standing cabinets.

      Joe
       
    4. DannyBres

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      Thanks for the reply. We will not be using it for music at all - it'll be a dedicated theatre, not a lounge.

      Interesting you say keep the sub close to the front, why is that? I thought you could put it pretty much anywhere.
       
    5. Joe Fernand

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      Sub 'I thought you could put it pretty much anywhere' - two factors to consider.

      When using a 'Sub' to underpin a limited range Front LCR speaker system the 'Sub' often ends up being your Front LCR 'mid range' too and can be easily localised.

      Where you place a Sub can affect its Output - put it in a corner and most of the time the LF will be lifted by as much as 3db (effectively doubling the bass output).

      'it'll be a dedicated theatre' - there may be other speaker systems to consider then!

      Joe
       
    6. DannyBres

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      Like what?

      I have a 4550 x 3600mm room and want to make a theater (drawing attached) - alot of reading over the past few weeks has lead me to this. note: I have no idea where to place the sub yet

      I planned to use all Monitor Audio Radius stuff, originals: 2x 270 1x 225 4x 90 and 1x 390, now I am looking at 3x 225 4x 90 and 1x 390, because the drawing would work perfectly except the right 270 would be in the way of the door.

      Maybe I have missed something important about speaker selection, any advice?


      .....Or are you referring to their quality?
       

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      You shouldn`t go with the idea where it fits/looks best. More serious people will do some measurements in room, but with one subwoofer you can achieve good results if you do "subwoofer crawl". It`s not perfect, but quite easy to do and for most people it works good enough.
      Easy Guide to Home Theater Subwoofer Placement

      Crawling for Bass - Subwoofer Placement Tips

      Dedicated theater room. Joe probably had same thing in mind, you have selected lifestyle speakers there which aren`t best choice if being serious. They are rather compact sized (slim) and low sensitivity (power hungry), some dealers say with a bright sparkling tone so pushing them loud in dedicated space...

      Also that subwoofer (390) is overpriced and definitely something not made for dedicated space use. It costs 600£, but there is better options almost half cheaper. You should be looking dedicated subwoofer manufacturers over speaker manufacturers. There is no need to "match" from same speaker brand! What to get depends what kind of performance you are after. Some older people like some extra depth, but others will want to feel it like in real cinema or more. That could also mean the material watched would be action/scifi type which are going to ask more from the subwoofer.

      Sub Woofers - Sub Bass - Subwoofer
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    8. DannyBres

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      Could you show me an example of a set of speakers that are not lifestyle speakers? How do you know that are low sensitivity? is it because they are 6 ohm?
       
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      The radius range are a lifestyle speaker albeit a good one. They are designed to look good and contemporary in a modern lounge.

      For a dedicated room id start somewhere like here

      XTZ Spirit Series 5.1 Speaker Package Review
       
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      Display device - Projector or TV?

      Low sensitivity Loudspeakers - look at the Output per 1Watt of Input power (usually measured at 1m). Every 3db increase in sensitivity is a doubling in Output power for the same input power from your Amp.

      Non-lifestyle - no fancy finish and no fancy cabinet, just a decent set of drivers in a rugged chassis, https://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_eurolive_b215xl.htm

      Joe
       
    11. DannyBres

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      Thanks for the help.

      Projector.
       
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      If you can spare a little bit of floor space/projection distance the ideal setup to consider is the Front LCR plus your Sub(s) behind an Acoustically transparent screen - that allows you to place the loudspeakers in the ideal position and as you can’t see them they can be as ‘ugly’ as you like :)

      Joe
       
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      It is the floor space that I will struggle with the door is very close (~600mm) to the edge of the screen, so the further from the wall the screen in the less I can open the door.

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      install a slider door?
       
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      That would certainly sort the problem!

      Low WAF though...
       
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      If at all possible, and assuming your AV Receiver has a form of room correction built in in can be better to use two slightly smaller subs. Just a thought.

      A pair of BK Gemini’s would not be at all feeble.

      If you only want one, I’ve always found that directly beneath the tv is the easiest place to get it right. Again, assuming some type of bass management in the receiver.

      Also, you might consider these speakers instead. Very slim and they come in lots of combinations of finishes.

      They seem to be getting great reviews too.

      DALI OBERON ON-WALL - Slim, discreet and surprisingly powerful on-wall speaker

      Dali Oberon On Wall White

      Also. A door stop is the answer :smashin:
       
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      Ps, all but the least expensive AV receivers are quite powerful these days, so whilst it’s not wise to buy seven Apogee Scintillas, there’s no need to panic about lower than average impedance speakers.

      Keep in mind that in home cinemas the bass duties, usually from 80hz down, are taken by the sub/s. Leaving the receiver an easier job of driving the speakers.
       
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      Is keeping the window a must? Maybe have the Screen in front of window. This will help keeping room black out and mean you can potentially baffle wall / screen wall?
       
    19. DannyBres

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      No it isn't but there isn't much space to the side of the sofa to squeeze past.

      Not sure how the wife would feel too. No fresh air might also be undesirable.
       
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      Door - if you could rehang it (hinge on the left), move it or change it to a slide that would make your life simpler in terms of the 'screen wall'.

      Joe
       
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      I'm using those as my LCR behind an AT screen in a baffle wall. They work well, cross over to the subs at 40hz (Audyssey) and can go extremely loud if needed without distortion. Great value IMHO, but not very pretty.
       

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