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    hi folks, im looking to upgrade my speakers and amp. So looking for some advice on potential purchases.

    I currently have mordaunt short speakers, 2 x 902 bookshelf (fronts) 1 x 905 (centre) 2 x 903 bipolar (rears). BK xls200 mkii subwoofer. Yamaha RX-V657 amp 8yr old.

    I intend to buy a second hand av amp and a seperate power amp for audio, i will use a switch box and run the main speakers off of the 2 amps depending whether its movies or music im going to be listening to.

    So is there anything better for the money than these wharfdale diamand 10 series floorstanders and centre speaker, they are heavily discounted so a very good buy.

    Will these speakers be a vast improvement compared to my current Mordaunt speakers?

    Should i stick with my bipolar rears or should i use the 902s for the rears or is there something better i should buy for the rears?

    10.6 floorstanders

    10.cm centre
     
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    sorry i should have posted in which speakers should i buy. hopefully a nice mod could move it for me. thanks
     
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    I would keep the 903 for the rears, only just changed from them myself. Why the need for 2 amps? I use an av amp for films, but run front pre outs to a dedicated 2 channel amp for music duties. Saves needing a switch box.

    Some avianno 8 going for 350 at the mo, iirc

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    My current set up sounds good for movies and music, it has suited my needs till now, im into music in a big way so i thought i should go for a sererate amp for music and do my music some justice.

    SO you have 2 amps, are they both running the same front speakers?

    I had a look at the avianno 8, great looking speakers, richersounds has a black pair for £300. I do however reply on peoples opinions and suggestions as to which ones i should buy, im not really clued up on whats best etc.
     
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    Its good to get opinions, but the best bet is to demo as much as you can. I almost went for some ma RX2, but went to see my mate at RS, and just liked the avianno's.

    I use the av amp with blu ray connected, then it does the center, rears, heights, I use the pre outs on the avr to go to a yamaha as-500, set the dial to 12 o'clock, run the set up, sorted.

    Then run turntable, cd, mp3 through the as-500

    Both subs work independantly of each amp

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    i think im getting what your saying, do you run both amps when running your full system and the audio amp runs your fronts ? So does adjusting the volume on your av amp adjust the full system evenly?

    Where i live has a shortage of hifi shops, there is one 12m away, no website and i have no idea what he stocks. Richer sounds is in glasgow but is 35 mile away, the problem is finding places that stock the speakers you want to demo.
     
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    You got it bud. Watching films, both amps on. When listening to music just the "stereo" amp on.

    Best bet, ring RS in Glasgow, and list the speakers you want to demo, obviously only ones they sell, give them a week or so, and they should be able to sort something for you. Just checked, your amp has pre outs, so you'd be good to go with a stereo amp. If you look at stereo amps and speakers at RS, you could demo them at the same time?

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    Thanks for the advice mate. No harm giving richer sounds a visit soon. Thanks for the advice i now know if i want to go the 2 amp route its quite easy and no further kit is required. ;):smashin:
     
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    There's no nice mods here: but I think you're doing fine right here!
     
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    You did ok at pointing me in the right direction spyder :hiya:

    If you can even take your av amp to RS then you could try that as well? I;ll have a word with Preston manager, see if he can/knows the manager up there, worth a punt for a phone call.

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    It was a momentary lapse! ;)
     
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    Hi smashedpumpkin

    The wharfedales 10.6 are very good and and a very good deal if available at that price from that site. I would call first to confirm they actually have them as they are discontinued and I have posted links to other speakers from the same site, listed as available, which turned out they weren't.

    I agree with this method than buying another AV and a PA just for music and I believe Steve is using a Aux input on the AS500 hence why he has to set the volume to 12'oclock to match the output of the AV. From then on, the AV can control the volume to all speakers equally.

    However, you could look for a stereo amp with HT Bypass/unity gain feature. Once enabled, the av will control volume to all speakers equally and negates the need to match both amp's volume. In fact, all the pre amp functions on the stereo amp will be disabled and it has effectively become a power amp. The AV is now the pre-amp for all its connected sources. Enabling HT Bypass is by a front panel button or mode setting. Some older amps may have a switch at the back or by removing links from the required inputs on the stereo amp, but I can see this getting tedious if having to remove links to switch modes when wanting one or the other, so best look for one that has front panel, switch or remote operation if interested.
    Speakers and sources configuration as described above by Steve except the AV's pre-outs will go to a pre-in on the stereo amp instead of the AUX.

    This feature is usually found on Stereo amps in the mid to higher end of ranges so are a bit more than the average, but the budget for AV/PA should be more than enough to cover a good one. Even more so if you don't mind secondhand.



    Suggestions can be given once a budget is known - which is what?
     
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    Thanks for the offer mate but no need, ill just phone them up and see if they have the aviano 8 in stock and go and demo them one day soon. I have bought a different reciever off ebay A HIGH END Sony STR-DA5400ES for £375, its a £1400 amp and according to what hi fi it is the best in its class of amps at this level, its a few years old.

    so maybe ill be blown away by its audio ability, we will see. I am kinda hoping by getting a more expensive reciever i wont need to buy a seperate stereo amp. We will see.

    The budget is in the title :laugh: £300 ish for a pair of floor standers.

    Thanks for the advice don, ill phone the company up and make sure they have the whardales in stock. As these speakers are discontinued i dont have much chance of auditioning them here on the west of scotland. Like i said i can demo the aviano 8 in RS in glasgow. Maybe its not the right reason but im more drawn to the aviano 8 as they have 3 main drivers and the wharfdale has 2. :laugh:

    Thanks for the in depth information to configuring the 2 amps. I i said in my reply to steve i have just bought a second hand sony reciever off ebay, its a £1400 amp so once i get it set up and get my new speakers ill be able to decide if im satified with the audio sound im getting. If im not dazzled them ill consider adding a second amp but its good to now know its very possible to do.

    :thumbsup:
     
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    LOL yes - The speaker budget was clear for all to see, but I was referring to the second av and power amp budget which you said you were 'intending' to buy. However, you now have it and being a £1400 AV, i would expect it to be somewhat good with music and no need to add a power amp, its just whether you like what you hear. And if it isn't, i don't think it be down to the AV's power, more on how the signal is being processed by the av IMO. Still i've only heard only good things about the 5400es musical ability so you should be ok.

    Definitely demo the Aviano 8. Only real way to choose these things are by having a demo and if possible with the 5400es if that is what you will be using them with. Also, having more drivers does not mean better, though in some cases it can be.

    I have the Wharf Diamond 10.2 standmounts and what they deliver is pretty much stunning to my ears when considering the costs. I expect the 10.6 to be even better. Shame you are not able to demo them as well.
     
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    Quick reply from my phone. I think you were right about bristolav on there site there is no stock listed for any colour of speaker for the wharfdale.

    Rs said I can collect the aviano 8 tomorrow on 2 weeks trial. If I want to demo them I need to go on Thursday as the demo room is getting new carpets.
     
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    No brainer really. Take the 2 week trial at home. Much better than an hr in their demo room.
     
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    Hey on my laptop so i can reply better today. The 5400es has just arrived, ill just take it out the box and look at it as i dont have a lot of time to set it up today before my work.

    I was going to demo the aviano 8 and as i said the guy is RS said i cant demo them till thursday. I asked what else he had floorsrtander wise around £300, he said the aviano 8 were the best he had and he only has the one pair left. Im not sure if he is just saying that to shift them or not.

    Thats the thing where i live, no good hifi stores near me so i tend to buy based on reviews and other peoples recommendations, also buying online ensures i get the best deals than buying from a store, if i went in to demo things i would feel obliged to buy from them, i dont like wasting people time.

    The guy in RS phoned me back after checking the speakers, he said it was an open box, one had been opened but was in fine condition, he said they sometimes display one speaker, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i thought. He said that the platform with spikes is missing from the open box one. So im hoping i can knock a bit more off the price. I have good engineering and diy skills so i could easily make something to give me spikes on the bottom. So i might go and just buy them before work today, i can return them if im not happy with them. I reckon they should sound amazing given what i have been listening till now.
     
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    Think there are some new ones on the bay for 350 from a hifi place

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    Thanks mate. I did not take them. The grill and platform were missing. One speaker was a bit rough . I asked for more off but he said no. He then phoned me later to say he can take 10 quid off lol. Off to eBay. Cheers matey.
     
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    i prefer back speakers to match my tv, amp and sub, the black aviano 8 are £370 delivered off ebay, same seller has rosewood aviano 8 at £320 delivered, he only has a rosewood centre for £125 (no delivery cost if buying with floorstanders.

    im tempted to buy the rosewood ones to save £50, but common sense tells me the blacks are the ones to buy, i can always source a centre later on or i could buy black floorstanders and rosewood centre and spray paint the centre speaker.
     
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    You done right to forego avaiano's at RS. I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole in the state you describe they are in.

    Other than the need to match the TV, can Rosewood flow with the rest of furniture in your room? It might be a nice touch to help break things up without destroying the looks or even compliment what's there.

    I think the standard matt Black speakers is getting a bit boring IMO. I say that even though i have black speakers but they are Piano black (Glossy) which does have a sort of wow factor and were on a such a stupendous deal that i would of needed to be committed if i said no. Plus she loves them which helps.

    With exception of the HiFi, my intentions was to get away from black and box shape altogether when i was looking to upgrade from my previous speakers which were typical standard matt black box shape speakers. Intentions were to get a pair of Walnut XTZ 99.36 which has a pear or tear shape cabinet. However, my current XTZ speakers (which this version of the 99.36 only comes in Piano Black and cost more for the privilege) were, as said, on a stupendous deal otherwise there be the walnut speakers sitting in my front room.
     
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    Speakers ordered and i got a great deal. The chap on ebay 'hifi-specialist' done me the black aviano 8's for £325 and a walnut aviano 5 for £125, combined shipping £20. So £470 all in. It was him who offered the discount on the floorstanders, what a guy lol. They will be here friday :thumbsup:

    I agree the rosewood may look fine in certain situation, i think it would be a bit of a hit or miss in my living room. The black ones are a safe bet and the walnut should be fine with my oak floor and dark mangowood table etc. If not i can always paint the centre but i think it will be fine.

    I had a look at the XTZ 99.36 in glossy black and they look amazing, ok if your regular with the duster :laugh:. They still look classy in the walnut too and very pleasing to the eye.

    I think its time i started setting up my sony reciever now that i have my speakers sorted out.
     
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    Vinyl wrap the center:thumbsup: The avianno 5 is very straight forward to do, no nasty profile like the 903's

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    looking good in the pic cheers, thats a good idea, should be easy enough and cheap enough to do. Thanks mate :smashin:
     
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    saved to my favourite sellers cheers matey :smashin:

    did you notice much difference changing the 903 bipoles to the 902 bookshelfs for the surround's ? Im just wondering, given the frequencies that come from the surround speakers, maybe its not as fussy what you use, space is not an issue but the 903's are easier to accomodate.
     
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    Hi, I had the 903, not the 902. I used the 903 for surrounds, then changed to the MA BXFX, only due to changing center and front heights. I believe the bi polar are better for surround due to the spacial, ie not direct radiating effect.

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    Splendid :thumbsup:. I am always a bit cautious when things like this occur and think ' hmmmm...what are you hiding?', but that's just me and here's hoping that all is as it should be as that sounds like a cracking deal.

    And yes, I am a regular with the duster and keep a close eye on those who like to leave foreign objects that's able to leave marks, on top of things and little fingers.

    Steve - If that is your handy work, i doff my hat to you sir. Looks like a wonderful job done. I couldn't trust myself to get that kind of finish, though i would give it a try :smashin:.
     
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    Sure is:smashin: Walnut wrap on top, gloss black down the front center. Did the old ms304 & 302's as well, replaced the grey grills for the black alumini 5&2 grills, same speaker really.

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