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floorstand or bookshelf ?

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by alan thompson, Apr 13, 2003.

  1. alan thompson

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    I need to replace my old wharfedale floorstand speakers.
    The missus wants small ones now!
    I have a Mordaunt short centre speaker, and quite like their bookshelf speakers, I can't remember the model , but will they sound as good as my old floor stand speakers that had threecones , one of them being a 9". The guy in Richer says that modern speakers sound just as bassy due to technolgy nowadays, do I beleive him?
    What does anyone suggest for around £150.
     
  2. Sunday Ironfoot

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    Unfortunately technology cannot change the laws of physics and bigger cabinet volumes means more bass. Floor standers are generally much more bassy than bookshelf speakers, there are some bookshelf speakers that can match some floor standers for bass though (B&W 602 S3 anyone), but they're quite big anyway.

    Considering your current floor standers have three speaker cones I'd doubt any new bookshelf would match them for bass output, better sound quality is a different matter though. Is this for a HC system? Do you plan on using a sub woofer?
     
  3. nathan_silly

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    But Bose advertise their products are better than big boxes, so they must be true! :laugh:


    Anyway, I would 2nd that, Alan. Get a subwoofer (and not one from Richer Sounds)
     
  4. Steve.EX

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    Alan.
    To generalise somewhat if your budget is "NOT without limits" then i would advocate the use of standmounter's.
    True, in absolute terms a smaller enclosure will not have the extension of their larger brethrens.
    However "proper" integration of the larger boxes and their drivers is the domain of "expense" and even then there is no guarantee. If anything bass response is the weakest part of cheap flooratanders, extension is nothing if not timed and tuned correctly.
    Standmounters (generally again) may have a more precise showing with the obvious advatages of smaller drivers.
    (I hasten to add that there exceptions to every "assumption")
    Given your budget of 150 you will have several "well received" standmounters. at this price point the floorstanders will simply be these standmounters drivers stuck in a larger box.
    I would (personally) lean towards " good" standmounters and add a sub at a later date.
    you can pick up Kef Q1's for around 200 if that is your bag.
    If you are after out and out bass then i would get a sub - full stop.
    As per usual the Richer Sounds advice is a mix of science fiction and nonsense!

    Steve.
     
  5. alan thompson

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    Thanks guys,
    Are stand mounts, bookshelf speakers on stands? and do they take up as much room as floorstanders, inwhich case I might as well have floorstanders?
    I will use for music and for my dvd, I do not have it filling shackingly loud.
    Could I use one of my large cones in my old speakers as a sort of woofer.
     
  6. nathan_silly

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    Bookshelf speakers are quite small (but not satellite sized) Standmounts are slightly larger.

    How big is your room? I've found floorstanders don't work well in smaller rooms.

    No
     
  7. alan thompson

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    18' x 12' with an open end with a 10 x 12 sun lounge on the end
     
  8. alan thompson

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    My Mordaunt Sort centre speake is about 500mm long and 175mm high.
    What are the diamond 8's like.?
     
  9. mjn

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    try and find a dealer that will let you borrow some speakers to try at home.
     
  10. nathan_silly

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    Go for floorstanders then.

    Although you won't get good quality ones for £150 (new) Probably better looking for second hand speakers- maybe Kef Q35's, Kef Q55's if you're lucky (they were £500 new)
     
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  12. nathan_silly

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    That's aboot AV though (setting to small gives better dynamics)

    For music it's a different matter. Some people don't like subwoofer to music (upto 80hz) and cheap satellites sound awful for music- wheras decent sats (80hz LF) M&K 150's will probably (probably because I've never used them for long) sound alot better- with a decent sub.

    Alan isn't going to get decent sats plus a sub for £150. Better to look around for floorstanders at £200.
     
  13. alan thompson

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    I have a pair of Eltax bi-polar rear speakers + my centre speaker, my old hi -fi Akai amp drives my front speakers and a Technics AV processor drives the centre and rears,
    If I had smaller front speakers could I us the second speaker output on my Akai to power a sub.
     
  14. nathan_silly

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    Best not to. Passive subs really need their own amp, and not shared with another set of speakers - the impedance drop will be too low (way under 4 Ohm nominal)
     
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    Nathan,
    Most £200 standmounts will kill most £200 floorstanders (with or without a sub) in any department you care to mention. Thats a fact.

    Case in point, the Kef Q1 is a better all round speaker than it's bigger brothers. Did I mention that it's also cheaper.

    Sorry for hijacking your thread Alan.
     
  16. alan thompson

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    Eric
    give me some examples and where to get them
     
  17. uncle eric

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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    Agree with you on that Eric. I thought you meant a standmount/subwoofer setup for £150 (say really cheap standmounts and really cheap subwoofer)- say Gale standmounts, Gale sub.

    Which will sound worse than a set of £150 floorstanders (say 2nd hand Kef Q35's)
     
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    I can wholeheartedly agree with that - utterly butterly speakers whereas the floorstanders are ... well, not :blush:
     
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    The Q1's are great, yes. Went to demo them to see what all the fuss was about (lol) and they belie their very reasonable cost. Very neutral though, so they might sound a little cold if you're used to speakers that are more "characterful" (hehe). With decent material then shine, of course...

    Another example - IMO, the floorstanding B&W 602.5s3 is a vastly inferior product to the stand-mount 601s3 on which is it based.

    MuFu.
     
  22. Spligsey

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    B&W and inferior mixed together????????????????


    Surely not!


    Adzman
     
  23. mjn

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    noooooooooooo LOL
     
  24. Steve.EX

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    Where's Sounddog?????

    ;) ;) ;)



    Regards

    Steve.
     
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    Rotel convention? ;)
     
  26. MuFu

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    Mwehehehe... :D

    Actually, to be fair the 602.5 isn't a "true" floorstander. Probably why it sounds like arse.

    *waits for "I have a pair and I think they're BLOODY BRILLIANT!" post*

    MuFu.
     
  27. sounddog

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    Actaually ... I agree that the B&W 602.5 isn't a very good speaker ... stick to a 601 + stands.

    Vikki
     
  28. Kain

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    Dont' forget Klipsch. :D
     
  29. duffjp

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    Uncle Eric,

    I am looking at building up a home cinema setup, which will actually start out as an AV receiver (considering Marantz 4300, Yammy 630 and HK 2550) with just 2 front speakers (budget limitations). I was planning on going for Q3's at the front and adding Q9c and Q1's for rear at a later date (along with a sub at some point, but that is way off my radar atm!). Would you say I would be better going for Q1's for the front and adding a sub sooner than later would be better?? Any other advice you can offer would be much appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Jon.
     
  30. Steve.EX

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    Can i add this too the mix?

    Buy the front three (Q1's + C) AND a reasonable sub first, get the rears later.

    Life without subwoofers?????? (NOOOO Doctor!!! take my rears instead!)

    Steve.
     

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