First receiver advice

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by Lucky Scotsman, Nov 16, 2002.

  1. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Hi all, I am looking for some advice on what receiver to buy.

    Originaly, I was going to go for an all in one home cinema kit solution, but have now decided to go for a more seperate route. For the receiver and speakers, I have stretched my budget to £400 and have narrowed my list down to the following.

    Sony STRDB780S - £235
    Kenwood KRF-V5060D-S - £202
    Kenwood KRF-V6060D-S - £243
    Yamaha RXV430RDS - £220
    Yamaha RXV530RDS - £282 (extra stretch :D )

    And I am thinking of going for Eltax Cinamex 5.1 speaker system at £138.

    My preferences are 60% music and 40% DVD, I need the system to handle the DVD player for movies and music, TV, PS2, X-Box and PC.

    If anyone has any experience with any of these systems, can you please give me some info.

    Thanks,

    Colin
     
  2. super7

    super7
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    165
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    Banbury, UK
    Ratings:
    +3
    Colin

    No comments about the Yammys or Kenwoods, but you could look at this thread to see my first impressions of the Sony.

    By the way, I'm still very happy with my choice!

    Super7
     
  3. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Thanks super7, that was very helpfull.

    I must admit, I do like sony equipment and the comments on your above mentioned thread convinced me that it is a good choice for my short list.

    I think I will drop Kenwood from my list. But, before I make my choice, I do need to find out some more about the yamaha. My closest specialist (HiFi Corner, Glasgow) has a lot of stuff and they highly recommended Yamaha as they have the longest experience with this sort of thing.

    The major factor in the Yamaha is that both of them have DTS-ES Matrix 6.1 in Phantom Mode.

    Is this worth having?

    If I need to get another speaker, I can as my living room is being centred around this purchase.
     
  4. super7

    super7
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    165
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    Banbury, UK
    Ratings:
    +3
    Colin

    Glad to be of help!

    As I said, no experience of the Yamaha receivers, but I guess having DTS-ES 6.1, even in phantom is probably better than not having it!

    Have the Yamaha's got Dolby Pro-Logic 2 (not just Pro-Logic)? If not, I strongly recommend choosing a reciever with this, as it is absolutely brilliant at making any stereo source (e.g. TV) into full surround - very clever stuff indeed.

    Apart form that, personal preferences play a big part. I like Sony stuff (as does my wife), and wanted the receiver to match everything else in terms of design.

    Sony also do the STR-DE685 with Pro-Logic 2, and the ability to drive a second set of speakers (stereo only) - ideal if you want music elsewhere in the house...

    Let us know what you decide!

    Super7
     
  5. Spacecowboy

    Spacecowboy
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Can the Sony STR-DE685 do the "phantom rear speaker mode" like the Yamaha 430RDS?
     
  6. super7

    super7
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    165
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    Banbury, UK
    Ratings:
    +3
    Spacecowboy

    As far as I know, the STR-DE685 does not feature phantom rear mode. The second set option is to either have a remote set of speakerts, or possibly to use a different set of speakers for stereo music sources. I believe you choose one set or the other.

    Super7
     
  7. lynx

    lynx
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,651
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    It always rains.
    Ratings:
    +302
    How about a 1070,stretches the budget a little £299 and does not decode pl11. That apart it's a decent all rounder and can decode 6.1 e/s,e/x.
     
  8. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    The yamaha does do DPL2, this is a must in whatever I choose as music is a main factor in the purchase. I have now narrowed it down to either the Sony or Yamaha, I'm interested in the 6.1 and would like anyones advice if they have had any experience.

    Time is runing out as I was wanting to purchase it tomorrow, but I am willing to wait another couple of days.

    If I don't hear anything about the Yamaha soon, I will probably just go for the Sony partly based on Super7's small review on another thread. (thanks for that)

    Colin
     
  9. lynx

    lynx
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,651
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    It always rains.
    Ratings:
    +302
    Music will be better without any additional processing (imho).The novelty of pl11 and music will soon wear of <lynx awaits the onslaught :) />. Whatever you decide i hope you enjoy it. :)
     
  10. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    lynx, I will have to reserve judgment on that one as I haven't experienced DPL2 yet. I am new to all of this, but I am looking forward to getting into it.
     
  11. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    I bit the bullet. I couldn't wait any longer. It's a Sunday and I get bored before I go to play football, so I had to spend some money. :D

    Just as I was about to click the confirm purchase button for the Sony STRDB780S and Eltax Cinemaxx speakers, I had a change of heart and thought about it for another 10 minutes and decided to go for the Yamaha RXV430RDS and Eltax for a total of £355.81 from QED-uk.com

    Should get them about Wednesday or Thursday, I can't wait. :)

    Thanks for all advice given.

    Colin
     
  12. super7

    super7
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2002
    Messages:
    165
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Location:
    Banbury, UK
    Ratings:
    +3
    Colin

    Glad to hear you've made your decision. Hope everything arrives on time. Let us know what you think!

    Super7
     
  13. joshua_bond

    joshua_bond
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Messages:
    354
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +16
    Lucky Scotsman,

    The Luck is with you. You have may an excellent choice. With LOTR DVD out last week and Blade 2 with 6.1 features Xmas has come early! You have done well. The advice is as always ....if you are buying an amp/receiver try to get the best you can afford.

    Delevery-wise QED is quite good (got Yam630se with them and previously a Kenwood) to go with Eltax 5+.

    PS when u get your toys they will need a bit of "run-in" at normal volume levels and use isolation spikes with its shoes provided with the Eltax. Also try the DSPs of the amp. You might find the "enhanced DD or DTS" or "enhanced matrix 6.1" and PLG2 to your liking!!
     
  14. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Thanks for the advice Joshua.

    It eased any worries that I had reading your post above as I am new to this and didn't want to buy something that I wasn't going to be happy with. With it being Yamaha, I was pretty sure that I would be happy as I have heard good things about their audio equipment.

    Originaly, the money that I had was for the entire setup (Receiver, Speakers & DVD), then I decided to leave the new DVD for now and just use what I had to buy the receiver and speakers. The money that I have left over from this will be spent on decent wiring for the setup.

    Thanks,

    Colin
     
  15. Spacecowboy

    Spacecowboy
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    joshua_bond do you own the Eltax Cinamax 5.1 sub/sat package? If so, how do you rate them? And how big is the room you use them in?
    My living room is 19ft x 14.5ft, and i'm worried the Eltax 5.1 will not be loud/powerful enough to fill the room.

    I'd really appreciate any help.
     
  16. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Just found out that it could be up to 14 days for the speakers and unkown when the receiver will arrive.

    Not fair, but I suppose it's to be expected when the prices are so low.

    :mad:
     
  17. joshua_bond

    joshua_bond
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Messages:
    354
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +16
    LuckyScots,
    I know the feeling, I had 2-3weeks wait for Yam630 from QED, and that's before the genuine hype surronding these latest Yams. QED order there stuff directly from Yamaha UK so hang-in there..it worth the wait.


    Spacecowboy,


    I have the Eltax 5+ (floorstanders), 3+ (rears) on Atacama Nexus 6 stands and Wharfedale picture panels as centre rears (misses don't like HT-2) and wharfedale valdus as centre. The Eltaxes (with their spikes) are on thick floor tiles. All in a 18x13ft room. To answer your question the Eltax does fill the room. I describe them as expressive ("likes to show-off"). But I often believe in my setup that it is more of the amp that does the biz (comparing with the Kenwood, I had). If you go the 5+ route (better that sats) then u don't need a sub.
     
  18. lynx

    lynx
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,651
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    It always rains.
    Ratings:
    +302
    It's not a valid comparison (sats and a pair of floorstanders) and to say that you don't need a sub with Liberty 5+'s :confused:
     
  19. joshua_bond

    joshua_bond
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Messages:
    354
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +16
    Lynx,

    The comparison is the sats + sub against floorstanders. In terms of frequency raw data, the 5+ rolls off at 40. Some subs can go at 30 or even 20. The point is that (as a first system) the price/performance you do not really count, in the broadest sense, for much when comparing a floor standanders to sub/sat. Of course if you have a sub (active) it will shake your room but in overall terms (and assuming you have space), floor standers are usually the better bet than that of sub/sat system.
     
  20. calscot

    calscot
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2002
    Messages:
    665
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Milton Keynes
    Ratings:
    +0
    Joshua,

    I agree with you on a couple of counts. The first is regarding the amplifier being very important for the sound. I've got a pair of eltax Liberty 5's and had a Kenwood 5030 receiver. The sound for music was ok but not great. I've now got a Marantz SR4200 and the Libs have come to life. I love the sound of my system now and switch the telly off to listen to music much more often these days.

    I also don't really feel the need for a subwoofer (I filled the libs with kitty litter) as the bass is pleanty strong enough for me (my living room is about 13' by 12') and any more will surely annoy my neighbours as the party wall seperates our livingrooms.

    I'm using Eltax Millenium II's for the rear but I'm interested in the Wharfedale picture speakers which are going for 80 quid in Richers.

    How good do they sound? Would they make good rears as opposed to rear centres?

    Cheers.

    Edit:
    PS I ordered my Kenwood from QED and it arrived next day as promised - they must have been in stock.
     
  21. sconepanman

    sconepanman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    I have heard from others that they sound very nice indeed, then again I am a long suffering NXT shareholder, so don't take my word for it. ;)
     
  22. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    So, are you guys saying that if I get a set of floor standing front speakers and a set of sats for the back along with a centre speaker, I don't realy need a sub?

    How would it sound with this setup including a sub?

    My living room is about 12x12 (from the top of my head) and the neighbours aren't an issue.

    It may be a stupid question, but I'm new to all of this.

    Colin
     
  23. Nobber22

    Nobber22
    Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2002
    Messages:
    2,982
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    86
    Location:
    Berkshire
    Ratings:
    +111
    Subs are like a bigger telly: you don't NEED one if you have (decent) full range speakers, but they are great to have and will add plenty to your movie experience. You won't know what you are missing (maybe another 5-10% lowend - IMO and a VERY rough estimate depending on your fronts) :) until you actually plumb a good sub in. Start with 5.0 and add the .1 later (WAF and budget dependant).
     
  24. Nobber22

    Nobber22
    Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2002
    Messages:
    2,982
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    86
    Location:
    Berkshire
    Ratings:
    +111
    They are fair sounding. I use them as rears (wife got involved:rolleyes: ), but I found them to be quite insensitive. I had to set my rears to LARGE before they produced enough sound to match my Mission M73 fronts and Mission centre. On SMALL they didn't do much at all. I reckon they work well when your rears need to sited close to your ears as the sound disperses a bit like dipoles. They are about 5 inches behind my head and I reckon normal speakers here would just overwhelm the sound instead. 4/10
     
  25. lynx

    lynx
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,651
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    It always rains.
    Ratings:
    +302
    Maybe others are suggesting that. Your system will work, however you won't be getting the full benefit and you will be missing some sonic substance.
    joshua_bond,
    As a side note i used to own Liberty 5+ ,indeed i still have the 3+ and they will not perform well at the frequencies that you mention.
     
  26. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Thanks for that guys.

    I have now cancelled my order at QED as Richer Sounds can get me the receiver sooner.

    Based on what you have said, I will go ahead with getting a sub. Got to have the full effect or it's not worth it. (for me anyway)

    :D
     
  27. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Right, I did a bit more searching and found that Richer Sounds in Edinburgh have the Yamaha RXV430RDS in stock and they are holding it for me. I will get it on Saturday (YIPEEEEEE).

    What do you guys suggest for the speakers? I am willing to spend up to £200 for 5.1 speakers.

    I would like to get a set of floor standing fronts, and it's all going into a 12.5 x 12.5 room.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks

    Colin
     
  28. Jumping

    Jumping
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Hello Lucky Scotsman

    Some1 on this forum posted this url to me...and I will probably by these speakers with a Yamaha 630 amp.

    http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/menu2.asp?subdept=hifisep&specials=hifi

    Mission pack for £199 with a sub....also read a review on the set on the homecinemachoice pages and the guy was fairly impressed with them.

    /Jump
     
  29. Spacecowboy

    Spacecowboy
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Hope you don't mind me asking, but how much are RS gonna do the Yamaha 430 for you?
     
  30. Lucky Scotsman

    Lucky Scotsman
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Richer Sounds are doing the RXV430RDS for £210. It's the best I've seen yet. When I ordered it originaly from QED, it was £220 and is now up to £238 and the most common price elsewhere is £250.

    But, I'm not so sure about it now as I can now spend a little bit more. My wonderful mother is giving me £280 towards my purchase as an XMas present. Isn't she the best. :)

    I am quite interested in the HK 2550

    Had a demo today and it was very impressive.

    I will decide when I hear others for myself. :)
     

Share This Page

Loading...
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice