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First Impressions Of The New Sim2 C3X 3 Chip DLP Projector

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by RTFM, Aug 1, 2005.

  1. RTFM

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    Many thanks to Alan Roser, MD of Sim2 UK Ltd, who took the time today to bring over the "new baby" as he referred to it weighing in at a healthy 8 Kilos.

    First, the looks. In a word, stunning. Without doubt, the most stylish projector I have ever laid eyes on.

    Secondly, and important to many users, very quiet.

    Thirdly,performance. I was expecting great things from the C3X (DC3) and was not disappointed.
    I put on a couple of well known DVDs, Vertical Limit and MIB II, and found the contrast range better than any previous Sim2 projector. Black level and shadow detail were exemplary and colour gamut spot on.

    I'll come back later with more details of different models and pricing and availability.

    Jeff
     
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    Sim2 UK M.D. Alan Roser and the C3X
     

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    some screen shot pics would be nice, subjective i know but would give some idea of what this beauty can do or show its strong points and perhaps
    pics of the user interface.

    Which model will you have jeff the LITE or the full on boy.

    still love the design, big well done to Alans team and all.
    (Alan can i have a unit for demo review purposes) :D
     
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    Dustin,

    Once I get my dem unit ( may be earlier than I thought :) ) I will oblige with screenshots etc.

    Will hopefully get the normal C3X with the wider lens.

    Jeff
     
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    that would be great jeff
     
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    Jeff I have a week off starting the 29th of August, any chance it will be up and running by then? I'd love to come in for a demo.
     
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    Rumour has it I may be getting my demo unit next week :)

    Jeff
     
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    Well, it's finally here.

    Went over to Sim2 UK this afternoon and collected my demo Sim2 C3X 3 Chipper.

    Alan had it setup their demo room and we watched various DVD and HD clips and then we did some measurements with Colorfacts.
    The CIE chart was spot on, ie. the red, green and blue were exactly where they should be. We measured the brightness at 52 ft Lamberts in 200w mode and 63 ft Lamberts in 250w mode.
    Although it's a bright projector, the black level is the best I have seen from a fixed panel projector.

    Jeff
     
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    Which model did you get Jeff ?
     
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    Hi Tom,

    It's the 250w version with the short throw lens.

    Jeff
     
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    That's pretty impressive - most DLPs tend to only manage 2 out of 3 primaries at best, usually with green being undersaturated and going towards yellow. Did you manage to get the graph saved so we could see it?

    What size screen was that on Jeff? If the blacks were that good, the contrast must be something special too. Did you manage to get a reading?

    Gary.
     
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    When you say the red green and blue primaries were spot on....spot on to what? The spec is different for NTSC, PAL and HDTV.....Was it correct for one and wrong for the rest. Or does it automatically define it's colourspace based on source material?

    Sounds mighty fine anyway.

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    Hi Gordon,

    I was referring to the Colorfacts CIE "triangle" where red/green/blue points should be, they actually were.

    Jeff
     
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    Hi Gary

    The screen was a Da-lite 52 x 92 fixed frame 1.3 gain screen.

    We did not save any CIE measurements.

    We did not measure contrast but the black level was excellent on the space scenes (star fields) of Starship Troopers and also the screensaver of TheaterTek2 was nice and black.

    Jeff
     
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    So was I. The co-ordinates for RGBCMY vary depending on whether you are trying to display NTSC, PAL, OR HDTV. Each has there own specified standard.

    You can change the triangle in colorfacts to actually show the different ones and how your measured points match to them.

    for instance: PAL/EBU.... RED .64 .33 GREEN .29 .6 BLUE .15 .06
    NTSC/SMPTEC..... RED .635 .34 GREEN .305 .595 BLUE .155 .07

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    We were using the internal primaries from the projector itself.

    Jeff
     
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    Jeff: I know you were......however I am talking about your statement.
    "The CIE chart was spot on, ie. the red, green and blue were exactly where they should be"

    They should be in different places depending on whether you are watching HD, NTSC or PAL. If everything were "exactly where they should be" the measured position of the primaries being shown would move dependant on the source. Statements like your first are misleading I feel unless you give more information. Most casual viewers of the forum would go away from this thread thinking this device has perfect coloromitry....it may well do but from the information you have given this is far from certain.

    Your statement now reads that you measured the primaries and that they were spot on....for the internal primaries of the projector....which is meaningless.

    This may sound pedantic but if you want to talk about measured accuracy you need to be more specific.

    Incidentally I don't know of any display device that can do this automatically and very few that even allow you the adjustments to store pre-sets to achieve it. Thats why I asked in the first place.

    Gordon
     
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    Hi Gordon,

    Alan did the measuring with CF Prof. and the source we had been using was the latest version of the Uvem HCPC with TT2 and a variety of clips, both SD and HD.

    I'm sure Alan will chip in if he has any more info on his measurements.

    My point was that straight out of the box the C3X measured extremely well.

    Jeff
     
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    Hi Gordon,

    Colorfacts was set to SMPTE NTSC.

    I didn't save the chart but I will attempt to measure again and post ASAP.

    The FL measurement I think was at 62 but that was uncalibrated. Once we calibrated the unit we settled for 28FL on a DA-Lite Cinemavision 7'8" wide screen. Lamp was set to minimum.
     
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    Thanks Alan,

    That's the info we needed. It does sound like an excellent device and I'm really looking forward to seeing it.

    Gordon
     

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