A Big to Mark for spending some time yesterday giving me some demo's. I'm sure that the Sub didn't look that BIG in your room. Thats what i told the missus anyway After trying my 2 preferred positions which played havoc with my PD30, i've got it in position 3 by moving the room around a bit. I've had no time to set it up properly but 1st impressions are awsome. The Waves of deep, pounding crystal clear bass out of scenes that previously sounded quiet. Looks like my whole DVD collection will get a replay very soon. I never knew that my walls, Floor, and other general bits of the house were capable of moving so much. Thanks people for the advice people, and NO i don't think i'll ever need to Upgrade.