Filming Industrial Machinery

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  1. JayPeeDee

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    Hi, please excuse my ignorance - I hope I have come to the right place to ask this question.

    Problem: I am working on an industrial packaging machine that has an intermittent problem that might happen once every 3 or 4 hours. I need to identify what is causing the problem.

    Solution: Set up a camera to record the machine in operation to then identify what caused the problem. Light is average and sound is not required. I would think up to 60fps would be ok.

    Question: what camera/camcorder would fit the bill?

    Thanks in advance for any assistance!
     
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    I doubt a camcorder is the answer.

    Firstly they are not normally capable of continuous recording for this period of time.

    Need more information, what exactly are you trying to film ?

    How close is the camera required to be ?

    How large is the area you need to film ?

    What sort of image resolution do you need ? (The more image detail requires more data storage).

    Can the critical area be given a reasonable level of lighting.

    60fps is a very high frame rate, what is the minimum resolution you require in a fraction of a second ? eg is 1/25 second resolution adequate.

    A laptop computer with a high res webcam coupled to a large hard disc may be the answer but your query lacks enough information to comment.
     
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    Had a customer with the same issue on one of our production machines and they captured the problem with a simple USB web cam plugged into the machine's PC. I also had another customer set up a specialist high speed camera system to trace the fault but that cost quite some money as a standalone system. I'd try with any video camera at first - maybe borrow one? and then see how it captures the fault. Add a separate light source if you can. If you can't capture the fault then a high speed "specialist" camera may be needed. So, difficult to recommend a camera as all I've used are consumer camcorders. I know not much help but good luck.
     
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    The machine shrinkwraps boxes in packs of four but sometimes misses one of the boxes as they feed in. The boxes are 100 x 150 x 250mm (4" x 6" x 10") each. The area I need to film is around 1m x 1m (3ft x 3ft) and the camera would be around 1m (3ft) away.

    I don't need a particularly high level of resolution since there isn't anything particularly small on the machine that I need to pick up and digest in fine detail, nor is it particularly high speed, so I guess around 25fps is ok too. Lighting can easily be added.
     
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    A high speed camera would probably be overkill since it is a relatively low speed machine.

    I'm leaning towards a web cam though.
     
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    I think the "right camera" will depend on the nature of the fault . . . . filming it at the wrapping stage (when the box is missing) isn't going to show the place where the fault begins.

    My money's on a box that not quite the same size/strength, or maybe has a strange surface, so it doesn't get grabbed correctly. If that's the case then maybe OP needs several cameras. . . so the culprit can be determined by going back through time - this could cause some sync issues.

    3-4 hrs shouldn't be an issue for a camcorder with a large-capacity battery, but video-quality may suffer. Of course Web-cams don't have such limitations.
     
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    I agree a webcam would be ideal paired with a laptop PC/Netbook/tablet/ipad. Even a smartphone would work.

    No need for anything special.
     
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    Battery capacity isn't normally an issue, most will run off the mains while recording if the charger is plugged in. Your Sony CX410 will. The limitation will be online storage not battery capacity or most likely a limit imposed on max recording times (A stupid EU imposed limit based on kit produced outside the EU being subject to extra taxation).
     

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