Film Review: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Spoiler Free) & comments

It’s more a case of people are getting tired of the moaning.

It’s doesn’t matter if you’re a “true” Star Wars fan or just a “casual” fan.

There are those who enjoyed it and those who didn’t.
Unfortunately the ones who didn’t are kind of ruining it for those who did enjoy it by constantly bitching.

I’m somewhere in the middle.
Overall I enjoyed it, but looking back I can see it’s faults.
That’s not stopping me from seeing it again or buying it on blu-ray as soon as it’s released so I can watch it over and over.

As I’ve said a few times in this thread, certain plot points can always be rewritten in episode 9, making scenes in ep.8 false flags.

Certain fans act like the original trilogy was perfect and entirely without fault, but they should rewatch them properly.
Luke was a whiney bitch!
The ewoks were fudgeing lame!
Boba Fett was underused and overrated.
The overall plot had more holes than my socks.

This is no different than the prequels or the current films.
Thank you for that and your right.
 
I'll put down my main negatives for the film once again and after a couple of viewings I still feel they bring the film down a lil . Not gonna spoiler the first two as ive seen them mentioned many times in the threads .

The slow chase and Casino segment of the film is still poorly realised for me , the latter could easily be dispensed with if not for certain charecters story arc. This is a main plot point for the film and for the most part poorly done . It does though have some high points , ultimatly though it drags the film along .
The second I will spoiler as was not sure about it on first watch , second viewing it almost killed what is one of the best openings in a Star Wars film.

Poes " Holding for general Huxx " attempt at humour is very poor in such a magnificent battle where many on both sides die . It just does not fit for me and is so off kilter to the rest of the scene and how it plays out

I know its respective of his charecter and he is pulled up on it . Just does not work for me and irked me more on a second veiwing.
 
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^ one of those moments where Rian rolled the dice, and the outcome didn't necessarily work for everyone. I see where he was going but I agree possibly out of place given the urgency of the situation.

One thing I've realised though is that Poe was completely in the right to
take down the Dreadnought. The movie doesn't do a good enough job of making it clear, but the purpose of the Dreadnought was to punch through planetary shields (impenetrable to the weapons on regular star destroyers). If the Dreadnought had survived, it would have been used to pulverise the rebel base on Crait, and it would be game over for the resistance.
 
For me that scene had a touch too much dialogue and the generally hammy acting of general hux was a negative. However I did initially find it funny and when watching it for the second time ( on an afternoon in a cinema mostly full of families ) a lot of people laughed out loud at that point.

On another note r.e. the humour in general my daughter at 6 has pretended to splat herself into a window several times since! Its her favourite bit.

The jokes were a touch too frequent for me but did keep my kids engaged with what is a very long film and that is what they seem to remember more than the killer scenes that I related too the most.
 
^ one of those moments where Rian rolled the dice, and the outcome didn't necessarily work for everyone. I see where he was going but I agree possibly out of place given the urgency of the situation.

One thing I've realised though is that Poe was completely in the right to
take down the Dreadnought. The movie doesn't do a good enough job of making it clear, but the purpose of the Dreadnought was to punch through planetary shields (impenetrable to the weapons on regular star destroyers). If the Dreadnought had survived, it would have been used to pulverise the rebel base on Crait, and it would be game over for the resistance.

Oh I have no problem with how it played out ( thought it great Star Wars viewing and reminded of the great moment in Revenge) with its roots based in old fashioned warfare . That particular scene did not work and it also outstayed its unwanted welcome . Minor gripe but a valid one for me .
 
Something that I realised watching the film on Xmas eve and this applies to the franchise on the whole, is that slave children in the SW universe are healthiest, cleanest looking slaves ever.
 
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Some wonderful things in this film but a lot of wtf things too. It's not awful but it isn't amazing either it is just solid and that's fine by me. Passing the baton to the new generation needs to be over and done with so the new films can settle and find their focus.
 
Something that I realised watching the film on Xmas eve and this applies to the franchise on the whole, is that slave children in the SW universe are healthiest, cleanest looking slaves ever.
A lot like those kids in Mary Poppins TBH
 
I guess at the end of the day, this film is a middle act and JJ could do things in 9 which explains why things happened in 8 and bring a bit more sense
 
Well I really liked it. It suffers in the middle (I was a bit worried at one point!) and it has faults (the space casino...what is the point? and those horsey things...silly) but it redeems itself in spades later.

Right now I rate it about the same as TFA but a little bit less than Rogue One (which doesnt start well but just gets better and better as it goes on).

7/10?! Harsh! 8.5/10 for me.
 
8.5 is perhaps too high. Purely because of the middle bit. I'd say an 8.0.
 
8.5 is perhaps too high. Purely because of the middle bit. I'd say an 8.0.
I see your 8.0 sir and halve it to 4.0, then halve it again to 2.0, that is rating i'd give this film, lol
 
Despite its faults Ive been thinking about TLJ a lot today. Im really looking forward to seeing it again in 4K.

I watched Rogue One on bluray a while after. Damn its slow getting going...it almost feels like a tv film at the start, even the opening title looks cheap! But....when it gets going its like a steamroller which just builds and builds. And thats why its the best of the 'new' Star Wars films - despite its obvious faults.
 
Why do folks get so offended by other people's opinions? If you love a film, you love a film. If you didn't enjoy it, you didn't enjoy it. Quite why it should matter to you that someone else doesn't share the same opinion as yourself seems like a bit of a waste of time to me. There has been a lot of vitriol in this thread towards anyone who has been disappointed with The Last Jedi. What does this achieve? Are they suddenly going to change their minds and declare it a masterpiece just because others have enjoyed it more than themselves? I doubt it. In fact I can positively say that they won't.

Many folks who have expressed an opinion haven't considered it a bad film in the slightest, there is definitely a lot more positives than negatives, but they have still felt slightly let down by the fact that The Force Awakens and Rouge One appeared to be building up to to an experience that should have been better over all than the The Last Jedi actually delivered. An opportunity for true greatness missed in my opinion.

Not the end of the world by no means and I know full well that come this time next year I'll be as excited as anyone for the next installment but it won't ever change my opinion of this particular film.
 
Why do folks get so offended by other people's opinions? If you love a film, you love a film. If you didn't enjoy it, you didn't enjoy it. Quite why it should matter to you that someone else doesn't share the same opinion as yourself seems like a bit of a waste of time to me. There has been a lot of vitriol in this thread towards anyone who has been disappointed with The Last Jedi. What does this achieve? Are they suddenly going to change their minds and declare it a masterpiece just because others have enjoyed it more than themselves? I doubt it. In fact I can positively say that they won't.

It's called discussion, which is why we're all here isn't it? Why should I care about anyone else's opinions, if those opinions can't be disagreed with? Its a forum not a survey.

A lot of strawmanning going on in that post to be honest. Who exactly demands people 'declare it a masterpiece'? And why are you only singling out one side? There's been plenty of baiting and borderline trolling from the 'hate it' camp, some of whom only seem to want to rain on everyone else's parade. Its the extreme views on both sides that provoke the more vitriolic posts. Noone minds that everyone has different opinions.
 
It's called discussion, which is why we're all here isn't it? Why should I care about anyone else's opinions, if those opinions can't be disagreed with? Its a forum not a survey.

A lot of strawmanning going on in that post to be honest. Who exactly demands people 'declare it a masterpiece'? And why are you only singling out one side? There's been plenty of baiting and borderline trolling from the 'hate it' camp, some of whom only seem to want to rain on everyone else's parade. Its the extreme views on both sides that provoke the more vitriolic posts. Noone minds that everyone has different opinions.

Well for a start I made it quite clear that I was of the opinion that if you like a film, you like it and if you don't, you don't and nothing should get in the way of that. Exactly which side was that falling on? I just happened to give the perspective of those who slot into the disappointed camp as oppose to either of the two extremes. Not love, not hate. Nothing more than that. You appear to be fighting an inner struggle to accept, or to indeed understand, that for some of us the overall feeling of the movie was somewhat hampered by certain aspects within it.

Secondly I haven't accused anyone of demanding that it be considered a masterpiece have I? I simply stated that if you didn't think so now then merely reading the opinions of others was unlikely to make you change your mind.

I actually find it very ironic and telling that it should be you that instantly takes offence and tries question what I have said.

You are happy to question why you yourself should care about other peoples opinions and openly state that no-one minds that everyone has a different opinion and yet you are the first to chime in when anyone offers a differing opinion to that of your own?

If you think The Last Jedi was brilliant, well that's just brilliant. And I mean that sincerely. But please stop your seemingly endless quest to try and convince others that they are wrong just because they haven't been as impressed as you are.
 
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Well for a start I made it quite clear that I was of the opinion that if you like a film, you like it and if you don't, you don't and nothing should get in the way of that. Exactly which side was that falling on? I just happened to give the perspective of those who slot into the disappointed camp as oppose to either of the two extremes. Not love, not hate. Nothing more than that. You appear to be fighting an inner struggle to accept, or to indeed understand, that for some of us the overall feeling of the movie was somewhat hampered by certain aspects within it.

Secondly I haven't accused anyone of demanding that it be considered a masterpiece have I? I simply stated that if you didn't think so now then merely reading the opinions of others was unlikely to make you change your mind.

I actually find it very ironic and telling that it should be you that instantly takes offence and tries question what I have said.

You are happy to question why you yourself should care about other peoples opinions and openly state that no-one minds that everyone has a different opinion and yet you are the first to chime in when anyone offers a differing opinion to that of your own?

If you think The Last Jedi was brilliant, well that's just brilliant. And I mean that sincerely. But please stop your seemingly endless quest to try and convince others that they are wrong just because they haven't been as impressed as you are.

Sorry but you haven't understood my post -or any of my arguments in the thread- if you think that.

Forums aren't just 'depositories' for opinion, thats what surveys or polls are for. Forums are for discussion. You can write something, and I can quote what you said and argue with you. You can then do the same. Just as we're doing here. Thats normal. Your earlier post seems to be saying we shouldn't be allowed to debate/argue with each other? And that I shouldn't (your words) 'try to question what you said'. I can question anything I like.

If someone posts a lists of complaints about the film, and I see there may be errors in their interpretation or instances where their perspective seems biased, I'll point it out. If someone goes on a ranting tirade that I think isn't warranted, I'll point out that maybe they are overreacting. I can't ultimately control what someone thinks of the film and I dont mind if their opinion is different to mine. But opinions aren't sacrosanct and untouchable.

Just for clarity; here's my position:
-I have no problem whatsoever with people not liking the film as much as I did (hell I have problems with it too) and am not trying to persuade them to like it more.
-I have a slight problem with the sense of 'entitlement' from some corners of fandom, who think the film 'should' have played out the way they wanted it and not the way it was written. And the hyperbolic hatred eg 'Disney ruined Star Wars', or 'worst film eva'.
-I have a slight problem with the mild hypocrisy in criticising this film for things the other movies are equally guilty of (eg plot holes, humour).
-I like to point out where people may have overlooked something in their critique- eg "leia shouldnt be able to do x,y and z", when I know that she can in fact do those things.

This is just normal debate isn't it? Its why we're here instead of doing something useful with our day.
 
Sorry but you haven't understood my post -or any of my arguments in the thread- if you think that.

Forums aren't just 'depositories' for opinion, thats what surveys or polls are for. Forums are for discussion. You can write something, and I can quote what you said and argue with you. You can then do the same. Just as we're doing here. Thats normal. Your earlier post seems to be saying we shouldn't be allowed to debate/argue with each other? And that I shouldn't (your words) 'try to question what you said'. I can question anything I like.

I'm sorry Lucus but you are just talking utter rubbish now and you are again twisting what is being said. Quite why you feel the need to continually be the centre of attention on this thread is questionable to say the least. Forums are there for folks use as they see fit, who are you to say otherwise? If someone wants to dump a load off their chest and just give an individual opinion and then leave who are you to suggest that they cannot? This isn't your personal playground where you get to set the rules is it and we aren't all subject to the need to continually justify ourselves to you are we.

Can you point to the very post where I have specifically said that you shouldn't 'try to question what I have said'? Can you do that? I've pointed out directly to yourself once, which must have been well over 10 pages ago now, that folks aren't likely to change their overriding feelings on the movie as a whole just because someone like yourself feels the need to constantly whine at everyone whole feels disappointed with it. I also stated that you not agreeing with my opinion was an irrelevance which is a completely different thing.

If my earlier post (591?) appears to you that I am suggesting that we shouldn't be allowed to debate/argue with each other than that again is just you completely misinterpreting a simple premise for sake of producing a condescending response it would appear. Again it merely reiterated the point that anyone who was disappointed with the movie was hardly going to change their minds having been through this thread. To be fair the post wasn't aimed directly at yourself and you were neither quoted or highlighted within it so it's only your own overblown perception of self importance that has led you to assume that it's all about you.

I can't ultimately control what someone thinks of the film and I dont mind if their opinion is different to mine.

Oh but you so do mind don't you Lucus, it's clear that you do and you have even said it yourself. This is an actual quote by the way not one I have conjured up or misrepresented;

Why should I care about anyone else's opinions, if those opinions can't be disagreed with?

So basically you are saying that on the one hand that you don't mind if someone has a differing opinion to yourself but on the other that you are only interested in the opinions that you can disagree with, ie the ones that differ from your own? It's a contradiction for sure!
 
Can you point to the very post where I have specifically said that you shouldn't 'try to question what I have said'? Can you do that?

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"I actually find it very ironic and telling that it should be you that instantly takes offence and tries question what I have said."

So basically you are saying that on the one hand that you don't mind if someone has a differing opinion to yourself but on the other that you are only interested in the opinions that you can disagree with, ie the ones that differ from your own? It's a contradiction for sure!

No, once again you've misunderstood.

I dont know you or anyone else on this forum in person (except one), so at face value someone's opinion here means no more to me than the opinion of some bloke I've never heard of living in Bolivia. What's important is that we can share our opinions with each other, and debate each other's points. Thats why the movie forum exists. If we can engage with each other we can see different perspectives. I may not be able to 'make' someone like something I like (assuming I wanted to), but I might point out something they are wrong about, and vice versa. I'm totally open to having my opinions questioned, perhaps I missed something important about a film that puts my opinion in a different context. It happens to me all the time.
 

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