Film Review & Discussion: Phantom Thread

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    1. Casimir Harlow

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      I hope this will not be the last film from DD Lewis. I remember being amazed when I saw My Beautiful Launderette at the cinema back in the day. I have enjoyed many of his films since, but I have to say I have found just as many incredibly boring (Nine, Lincoln and Gangs Of New York). I could name several actors with a better body of work to their name (Eastwood, Pacino, DeNiro)
      Just my 2 cents!
       
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      Might go and see this then. I have seen the trailer numerous times and as you this review suggests, it left me with the opinion that the film would be boring and that I was going to pass on this one. If the film is as good as the review suggests then the makers have really screwed up with the trailer.

      Cheers,

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      "Unmissable", for sure, Cas, and you pose an interesting question re. the trailer: How do you make trail a film that is a slow build, slow burn, that uses its length to unfold what is essentially a simply narrative but a very complex character study? There are no explosions, no jokes, no special effects, no car chases, no shoot outs etc. It is not that the film lacks 'Ka-pow!' moments, but they come in the form of dialogue or other human interaction, made all the more Ka-pow-erful (Sorry!) through the slow build and burn. In this sense the trailer is actually a very powerful one, but only after you have seen the film! Fans of DDL will go regardless, as will those attracted by the 'look' of the film or simply searching for something that is simply different to what else is currently showing. The reviews have been excellent and word of mouth will boost it further, I hope.
       
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      Do go, Nigel, settle into the narrative flow and rhythm, because this is not your Hollywood way of moviemaking, and you will be anything other than bored. Please see my reply to Cas above. It's not that the makers have really screwed up with the trailer, it's actually they have made the best trailer they could. Unlike others, this one does not sell the film as anything more or less than what it is.
       
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      It's hard to tell with DDL because he is not a money-motivated 'star'. If he gets bored, if the right script comes along, who knows? I agree with you, he has been in some boring films, but even then he was worth watching even if the film wasn't! I enjoy Eastwood's work as actor and director and also the earlier Pacino and DeNiro films, but, just my opinion, these two have become pastiches of themselves. DeNiro, especially, has been in so many stinkers, hamming it up in the knowledge he can get away with it because he is DeNiro. I find this sad, in the same way that so many people will know Orson Welles more for his sherry advertising!
       
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      I'd love to go and see this but Odeon are not showing it at the Metrocentre or indeed at any of their North East cinemas. Beginning to wonder if they think northerners wouldn't understand anything that is not big, mindless, loud and brash. Sad.
       
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      Universal is the distributor and maybe a rival chain has taken the film, but otherwise it's beyond short sighted since there is definitely an audience for Phantom Thread, if not the average multiplex one. Hopefully, there is a smaller venue in your area, maybe an arthouse cinema, that is showing it.
       
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      I have a limitless card for Odeon, so annoyed I can't see it there. Getting parked etc. is a nightmare elsewhere, which is why I go to the Metro. I'll just have to get the disc.
       
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      That is annoying. I'm guessing that Universal might have made too heavy demands on Odeon but not to show the film across the entire region is kind of insulting the customers. It's still a great film on disc but it has the kind of cinematography, lighting, production and costume design etc. that look great on the big screen.
       
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      My local Odeon are showing it. I’m going tomorrow.
       
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      FWIW... the Odeon multiplexes in my neck of the woods aren’t showing this either, which further justifies my decision to defect from Limitless to Unlimited.

      Phantom Thread: Cinema Screenings & Ticket Booking - The Official Showtimes Destination

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      Solid film... Sublime performances... Master directing... Wonderful movie about
      learning to love someone the way they want and need to be loved... or is it just learning to manipulate your lover?! ;)

      Saw it at a small theatre... 6 people in total... A couple and the rest were... single dudes o_O Small sample size, but not the demographic I expected :rotfl:
       
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      Went to see this as suggested by my girlfriend's friend. Both thoroughly enjoyed it...plus spotting the Victoria Hotel in Robin Hood's Bay was a bonus :)
       
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      Just came back from seeing the film - loved it. Favourite film of 2018 so far and I'll be surprised if anything tops it for awhile.
       
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      It looks like this one isn't coming anywhere near my local, might have to wait for this one :(.

      How does it compare to his other films?
       
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      I'm surprised you're unable to see it, our big cinema chain in Ireland (Omniplex) is showing it, and they usually just show whatever has the largest budget at the time.

      I'd ranked his films as:
      1. There Will Be Blood
      2. Punch-Drunk Love
      3. Boogie Nights
      4. Phantom Thread
      5. Magnolia
      6. The Master
      7. Hard Eight
      8. Inherent Vice
      Blood is definitively my number 1 but the next four I also consider fantastic. Depending on when you ask me to rank them, I may have a completely different order as I think they're all equally as good (even PDL which I know a lot of people don't care for). Who knows, on a second watch, I may rank Phantom Thread even higher.

      The Master and Hard Eight are really great.

      Inherent Vice I haven't finished because an hour in, I was bored to tears. I've been spending the past two years trying to find an excuse to finish it.
       
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      With you on Inherent Vice. I made it to the end, but I wont get that time back again.

      To date my PTA rankings are as follows:
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      it's a much more intimate movie that any of his pevious ones...
       
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      Just finished watching this, for me it is a masterpiece, it is such a powerful film, the sound design is perfect, the score by Johnny Greenwood is sublime, this is a work of art, it is meticulous in its detail
      I loved it, the best film I have seen this year, by a long way.
       
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      Thought this film rather weird, strange and peculiar.
       
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      I'm glad you feel the same way as it certainly Marmite'd a lot of people. Something I'm still not clear about so maybe you can shed some light here:

      There is a scene with the three main characters in a park, sitting on a bench. But there is also a stonking great pram there, presumably with a baby in it. Do you think, as I do, that D D-L and VK had a child and that out there is a much longer director's cut, with an even deeper narrative? And why VK's 'confession' to the doctor? I can't help feeling there is so much more, and I want it all!
       
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      Strange this thread should pop up today after I've just watched this and posted about it earlier. Didn't realise there was one.

      Sadly I have to buck the trend on it though. Too safe this was for me. Teased a lot more than it delivered, felt like there was another act needed, and I don't see the tour de force performances everyone else did.

      Yes, everything about it is good I admit. But that was just it - nothing special, and I saw little Oscar worthy here really. If it is indeed Lewis' last film, then I'm disappointed he hasn't gone out in There Will be Blood style. This seemed too easy for him.

      The ending felt a bit rushed, and the opening scene seemed to suggest a much darker journey than we got. It felt like a period piece I might watch on a Sunday night on BBC1 at 9pm.

      It probably warrants another viewing to be fair, but I can't bring myself to do so anytime soon.
       
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      You crazy.

      Any 30 seconds of Daniel Day Lewis' performance in this is probably better than every other actor performance that year combined. It's incredibly nuanced, precise, and absolutely convincing at all times.

      I'm not sure why you thought the film was 'safe' either, unless you were expecting a different kind of movie from the one Anderson made. It's unconventional, but its not incomplete.
       
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      Are you crazy? :D Day-Lewis was good as always, but I wouldn't go that far!

      It was nuanced, precise and convincing, yes. But I expected nothing less, so that's nothing exceptional.

      It teased more of Day-Lewis' character for me in the beginning, of which for me we never got to see. Or there again, were teased with glimpses. Perhaps we might have done given another hour. In fact I think the showpiece of the film was Alma, not Woodcock. Her character's journey from when we first met her - right through to the end, was of more interest to me.

      By no means was it a bad film of course, but not one I'd personally hold in the highest esteem. Just my opinion on it anyway.
       
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      I feel that PTA makes the films he wants to make and there would be no longer cut. I felt everything was presented to us for us to think about and digest the fact it left you wanting more means the film succeded, you cannot stop thinking about it.
       

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