Fight for right to take photos!

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  1. johnaalex

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    The National Union of Journalists (NUJ) has teamed up with Mark
    Thomas (writer, broadcaster, comic and political activist), Chris
    Atkins (BAFTA nominated director and writer of the feature film
    documentary Taking Liberties), The British Journal of Photography and
    others for a "media event" outside New Scotland Yard on Monday 16
    February 2009. The plan is simple, turn up with your camera and
    exercise your democratic right to take a photograph in a public place.

    16 February 2009
    11:00 - 12:00
    New Scotland Yard
    Broadway
    London SW1H OBG

    Note: This is NOT a Protest. It is just photography.
     
  2. allymac123

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    Ironically that'll be a relatively good way to ensure no terrorist attacks outside New Scotland Yard at that time.

    What I don't get is that these police documentaries like road wars, police interceptors, traffic cops - the police are constantly telling the criminals that the camera man has the right to film them. hmmmm
     
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    if they did it at a weekend or even in a lunch hour they might of got a better response.
     
  4. Yandros

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    I actually missed the significance of this date and event, and just heard it on The News Quiz on Radio 4. As of 16th Feb, it's effectively illegal to take a photograph of a police officer.

    Scary times :rolleyes:
     
  5. senu

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    Why ? Are they MI5 or all undercover?
    What of all those news stories with photographs of Policemen " at work" . Have any laws been broken:rolleyes:??

    You dont say..:suicide:
     
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    How so Yandros?

    EDIT: just found THIS which explains how....like anything this is down to interpretation and what COULD possibly happen if the law was applied in a certain way......

    BTW though - I totally agree with Monday's show of strength as a sign that the powers are misdirected.
     
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    I would never, ever take a pic of our police 'h'officers whilst they are so 'busy' during their duties ?



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    Bloomin eck that's an old photo.:eek:

    As Julian has said it's down to interpretation as to whether you think this new law could make it illegal to take photos of a copper.

    The legislation is obviously not intended to be used to harangue photographers.

    As I've said before, it's up to the force in question to train their officers properly as a lot of the problems come from ignorance on the part of the officer. It's also (somewhat debatable) a fine balance between security and liberty which is not easy to get right.
     
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    The term police state comes to mind although we are getting anyone in a uniform acting like a little tin god.
     
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    There was a piece in the BBC Morning news last week about police using head cams to record things.

    They did warn the people that they were being filmed, but I wonder what the replay would be if you got out a video camera and also warned them that they were being filmed!
     
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    That's disgusting and ridiculous. Pathetic.
     
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    As can be seen Ive merged the threads as they are broadly similar in subject matter
     
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    Thanks for putting up that video. As you say, makes your blood boil. Well done on the chap for arguing back.
     
  16. Pirate!!

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    I just wish it would stop raining and for the clouds to go away so I could get out and shoot a few frames.

    Now if a male PC Plod turned up in fishnets and suspenders, then that might be worth shooting!

    Evening all! Hello darling! Do you come here often? Cheeky beggar . . be off with you before I clip you round the ear. OK treacle . . . . up yours rozzer!

    Does your head go to the top of your helmet?

    Giving the 'bird' . . . snap snap . . . gotcha!
     
  17. onefivenine

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    LOL Pirate!

    I think everyone should take a deep breath, and relax. It's hardly the 'thin end of the wedge' conspiracy designed to stop us enjoying our hobby or ruin our lives.

    Such a great loss - taking photos of coppers. Boo hoo. :rolleyes:
     
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    I see you related to the references.
     
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    Bit of a misquote there Pirate I think you may have misunderstood me matey.

    I thought your post was very funny, hence the lol.
     
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    This has kinda been blown out of proportion.

    If some ignorant police officers arrests someone because they are just taking photos there will be such a media poop storm that they'll be spinning into the middle of next year because of the injustice of it all. It really is all down to the way the new law is read. And it's currnelty been read with images of big brother in peoples minds. Remember the media use and rely on pictures from photographers all over the world, and they will be the ones reporting on such as arrest. Who's side do you think they will take?

    The police will need to prove some sort of wrong doing or terrorist activity, so believe me, they had better be certain before they try and arrest someone. It's ultimately a stupid law because their is very little gain in police power from it.

    Saying that, I'm very glad about the show of force on the 16th as it shows a strength of force against such laws being abused. As a country we are too strong minded and stubborn to take injustice lying down and we need to show it. And this is the reason why this law will never cuase anyone any issues.

    Deep breath.
     
  21. senu

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    Deep breath?.. Flame retardant suit?:rotfl: No need ;)

    :)
    Not according to Stella Remington although she was reffering to the more serious legislation being introduced

    One case out of maybe a few hundred if that may get this attention. Lots of folk may not just bother .How many times have you ever hear the police apologise for a wrongful arrest?
    It will be misinterpreted a lot.. there is too much leeway for the discretion which will more than likely be used to enforce rather than be reasonable
    The media has been lukewarm so far when such incidents have not involved a Pressman with a Press ID . What makes you think they will suddenly change?

    It may be but the Police will not have to prove anything to arrest all they need is reasonable suspicion. They can very easily claim that: dont forget they see lots of bad people and assuming innocence in the first instance is not quite the culture anymore .
    They will need to prove to obtain a conviction but that will not stop the erosion of liberties that an arrest implies.
    Arrested on "suspicion of" "released" without charge.. Sound familiar?
    I hope you are right. The Govt is not prepared to entertain any debate and will always say interpretation is down to the indiviual.. PCSO or Bobby .. and they , it seems are not accountable
    Also they may well not be as well briefed as they should be and may be acting in good faith believeing they are genuinely upholding the Law

    It may not be as effective a Law as its architects hoped but it is subject o abuse. I wouldnt be as dismmisive about the possibility

    Im not Police Bashing . just saying that those who make the Laws are simply being shortsighted and populist and that even the police who are expected to enforce them are often let to struggle for the correct interpretation
    This is why being a little complacent may be dangerous as once the Law is out there, " resistance" may prove futile:D
     
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  22. Reel To Reel

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    I am putting off purchase of the new Nikon D3X for I am sure I will be accused of carrying a terrorist weapon :D

    Do some of you remember this:

    Channel 4 - News - Porsche challenge Mayor Ken

    Perhaps Canon & Nikon should be fighting our corner?

    Maybe no-one has told the Police that even compact cameras take brilliant images - my new LX3 is ace.
     
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