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Fight Club ??

Discussion in 'TV Show Forum' started by karkus30, Nov 1, 2002.

  1. karkus30

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    Watched Fight Club last night, the first time since I saw it on the cinema. Still a brilliant film, but my wife and brother hated it, citing too much violence and a plot that did not hang together. I had trouble understanding their viewpoint. Is this a film a bit like art in terms of the way it initiates different reactions or is there something deeper going on here. Comments
     
  2. James45

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    i think you have to have quite a dark, mischevious sense of humour to appreciate it. great film
     
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    The words "Modern Classic" spring to mind
     
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    "Just might require another viewing" NY Times

    I think that sums it up really. Like Blade Runner, Memento, 12 Monkeys, you pick up more of the detail on repeat viewings. Great film, Great DVD (2 disk version)
     
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    Personally I think it's one of the best movies of the last few years. It certainly didn't deserve to get the producers sacked from Fox when the film failed to turn a profit and Rupert Murdoch couldn't bring himself to see the funny side.
    It gets better with repeated viewings, you always notice something new.
     
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    A fantastic movie but movies are an art form so different strokes for different folks.
     
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    Brilliant film and very cleverly written.
     
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    Squirrel God i notice you have the limited edition in your collection, it there any nice extras?

    sorry forgot to tell you im talking about Memento not Fight Club, do'h.



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    I think it is a great film. Esp. the ending - a bit of a surprise there if you still have to watch it.



    I think it would've been a little better with out that 30sec pumelling of the guy on the floor. I mean more universally watchable.

    My wife wouldn't watch it because she knew there'd be fighting, and now I've seen it I know that just because of that small segment, she's right to avoid it.
     
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    Isn't the Uk DVD/Video version cencored at that point? I know the version on Sky isn't but had heard that it was different from the video version
     
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    Maybe, I did watch an R1 version.

    I'll check at a dvd compare site re. the R2/UK release thanks - I'd like to watch it again WITH the misses.
     
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    Loads of nice extras mate, including a lovely ability to play the movie backwards ;) Well worth upgrading!

    Details here: http://www.dvdcompare.org.uk/comparisons/film_results_page.php?fid=999

    R2 UK is censored by 4 seconds, plus they substituted some dialogue and other stuff elsewhere in the movie so that's another 3 seconds, making 7 seconds in total. R1 and R4 are okay, R2 UK should be avoided like the plague IMO.

    http://www.dvdcompare.org.uk/comparisons/film_results_page.php?fid=606
     
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    I thought you were now immune to The Plague....having already been infected a few years ago ;).
     
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    You're mixing up squirrels with rats mate ;)
     
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    :mad: You are all breaking the first rule of Fight Club!!! :mad:
     
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    And now you just have as well Lex :rolleyes: :p
     
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    Hmmm... interesting, where are you going with this Ikea boy?


    sorry couldn't resist:blush:
     
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    Any chance of adhering to the original thread, which if you recall was a discussion about the film:rolleyes:

    discuss.
     
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    great film....

    and please forgive this karkus

    i just wish the sensors would shove their scissors up their big fat arses when will these people realise there is an off switch on all TVs

    We should be able to decide ourselves, i do not need some relic telling me what i can and can not watch

    they just cut a few seconds here and there just to justify their overpaid salary :mad:
     
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    As most who know me are aware, this is easily my favorite film. For real insight, read the book by Chuck Palanhuik, his debut, which tells you a bit more about why Tyler does what he does. the film couldn't have cast the characters better though, Pitt is Tyler. Fantastic movie, the violence is needed to put across the message properly and isn't shocking IMO
     
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    A great film, which is watchable again and again.
     
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    Gambit, what do you think the message is ?

    This film had a profound effect on my wife, she hated it and found it very disturbing, particularly the violence. This is the second time she has watched it and her opinion has'nt changed.

    I only see the violence as an expression of impotent rage, the struggle within etc.

    Its a remarkable film, for me its a bit like music, you listen to a wild mash of guitar drums and distortion, but hear the underlying melody and your hooked, others just cant stand the noise.
     
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    The message is described better in the book- middle american men, raised by their mothers cause their fathers left when they were young have never been in a fight, and will die with perfect corpse etc... Plus, they're being blamed for all the foul ups in the past i.e. pollution, global warming etc and therefore can't do things that they could in the past, and feel mad about this (this is Tyler's reason for project Mayhem) and so want to shake things up a lot. Read the book for a far more eloquent and well structured argument and then you'll understand why a) I love this book/ film so much and b) why Tyler is god.:D
     
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    I didn't find Fight Club overly violent at all. I could understand why the ladies out there might find it so but to me, it's nothing more than bare-knuckle boxing. The characters involved in the fight scenes have a degree of respect for each other and never is there any deep hatred or visciousness - apart from the one scene were Ed Norton goes to town on Leto.

    I think movies such as Goodfellas/Casino to name but two, are far more violent and graphic yet are regarded as more mainstream or watchable by many. I watched Death Wish last night on BBC1 and had forgotton just how shocking the rape/murder scene is portrayed, especially as the violence was directed towards women.
     
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    One of the key points forgotten by most is that the Fight Club it's self is a environment where the guys can fight in a controlled way and get thier rage without someone putting the boot in, so to speak:D
     
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    sure you did'nt mean Grohl :D
     
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    From an interview with Ed Norton & Brad Pitt:

    Ed Norton says: "I think 'Fight Club' is a metaphor for punching through the insulation that you've put up around yourself and experiencing pain . . . as a way of starting to connect with the fact that you are not defined by things around you, that you are capable of experiencing pain and living through it and the empowerment of that."
    "I think we are qualitatively different from previous generations in the consumer culture in that we have been raised from the cradle on television," says Norton. "And we are the first generation to have that as a component in our lives" — "as the teacher," interjects Pitt , — "yeah, as the teacher and as the arbiter of the value system," finishes Norton.
    The disparity between real life and the ideals touted in TV's constant barrage of advertising has led to the breakdown depicted in "Fight Club," - "All the things that had been promised by that advertising/marketing culture as a means to happiness will not provide happiness" is what he and his peers are beginning to recognize, Norton says. Because of that "you have this whole generation having a midlife crisis in its 20s."
    "Further than that, (the film is) saying that we've become spectators," says Pitt. "That unknowingly, we sit and watch other people play. We root for the people playing in the game, but we're not in the game ourselves."
    Norton says Palahniuk's book and the script adapted from it capture the pulse of his generation, "much more than I had felt with these baby-boomer-created 'Reality Bites' visions of us as reductive, aimless, angst-ridden slackers."
    "It was the first thing I'd read that I thought could really be like 'The Graduate' was for that generation, or 'Rebel Without a Cause' — something that really rooted around in the dynamics of these frustrations," says Norton.

    Pitt concedes that many might see him as living the TV dream and scoff at his condemnation of materialism.
    "No one wants to hear that from me," he says. "There's a definite freedom with money, no question. . . . But you look at so many people who, once they've made it, check out or can't carry on. It's then, 'What do you do?' You're stuck with yourself, and you realize, 'These things aren't gonna add up.' "
    For Pitt and Norton, making films like "Fight Club" amounts to their "fight club" — fulfilling their creativity. And critics should get over their knee-jerk reaction to the violence, they say.
     
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    Thats a great reply Lex, but does that mean as an over 20 I should not be able to identify with this film ( which is clearly not the case ).

    Rage against the machine said the same sort of thing in 'bullet in the head ' lyric goes " they pack a nine and fire it in prime time ".

    Television has become the teacher in most peoples lives, so what they experience is decided by the programme makers, so in a sense it becomes propaganda. The worlds new religion.

    But surely you dont need to experience pain to know this ? We are talking about revolution, with nobody quite knowing what the revolution is about.

    The same theme was explored in the Matrix, but on a different level.

    I still think this a brilliant film, but I have just got to read the book now.
     
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    Indeed. That is why many people compared Fight Club to Rebel Without a Cause. It is a similarly generation defining movie.
    Another famous movie on that theme is László Benedek's film The Wild One in which Marlon Brando's character was asked "What are you rebelling against?" to which he replied "What have you got?!"
     
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    watched Fight Club for about the 20th time last night, it was the first time I'd watched it in ages and had almost forgot what a fantastic film it is.

    I think some people of a weaker disposition may find the fight scenes sickening because of the 'look' of the blood. It is always nearly black in the film and flows quite freely. The bit where Tyler goads Lou covering him i blood and screaming "you don't know where I've been!" is stomach churning and funny at the same time.
     

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