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Evil Dead 2 R2 or wait??

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  1. tee

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    Having read a few of the reviews for the soon to be released R2 Evil Dead I was some what dissapointed to read that the picture quality is not great. What's the word with the forthcomming Anchor Bay R1 re-release? Is it worth waiting for that one especialy considering it may contain more extras?

    What do you think?
     
  2. PoochJD

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    Tee,

    I am in the exact same boat. However, there is some potentially favourable light on the horizon, regarding the R2 edition:

    - It is an Anchor Bay release<br />- It will a DTS 6.1 ES Surround Sound mix<br />- There will be 2 audio commentaries<br />- The film is over 20 years old now, and was made with 16mm film, so the image will never be fantastic, after being blown-up to 35mm.

    There's only another month or so, until the R2 edition comes out, so I'd wait and then buy it from a high-street store. If it then turns out to be useless, return it, get a refund, and await the R1 re-release. If, however, the R2 edition turns out to be good, keep it.

    I know it's a bit of a cop-out situation, but unless you see something on this site, or other websites and/or DVD magazines that tell you to "keep away from the R2 edition", then I'd probably risk it. AB aren't going to want to risk screwing-up their second UK release, but the first major title in their catalogues, with lousy picture quality. It simply wouldn't make any sense for them, to do so.

    Hope this is of some help to you.

    Pooch
     
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    But wont the R2 release be cut?<br />I have the R1 special edition (UNRATED) and correct me if I'm wrong but the lovely chaps* at the BBFC wont include "the tree scene"<br />As I have said on other threads its the fullest version of the film that gets my hard earned spent on it! Although if there is a R1 re-release with more extras does anyone know if it would be unrated?

    *Full sarcasm intended
     
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    No. The R2 is full uncut. All previous cuts waived:<br /><a href="http://www.bulletsnbabesdvds.com/article.php?sid=392" target="_blank">http://www.bulletsnbabesdvds.com/article.php?sid=392</a>
     
  5. PoochJD

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    Hi,

    Yep! Jenz is totally correct on this one. The BBFC have allowed the full and completely uncensored widescreen edition of the film through, unscathed, including all previously edited sequences.

    The reasons, in there eyes, is that the film's effects are no longer substantially horrific enough, in comparison to modern-day horror movie effects. The main problem for the BBFC today, was never the actual film, but the problem that the film had been previously prosecuted by the Department of Public Prosecutions, and classified as a "Video Nasty". As such, under UK law, it is normal that any prosecuted material, will never see the light of day again. However, the BBFC nad Anchor Bay got round this, by using the fact that the film was being requested a certificate for the widescreen edition on DVD, and not the regular 4:3 pan-and-scan edition for video. Hence, the new decision to allow it through, without any problems.

    Hope this helps.

    Pooch
     
  6. Rambo John J

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    Personally I don't think folks should buy the R2 version for the following reason - it's been overcropped. Raimi himself composed the frame to be fullscreen or matted to 1.66:1 for theatrical release (something he never thought would happen when they made the film but built a "safe area" into the frame just in case). The R2 disc has been cropped all the way down to 1.85 and loses a LOT of picture info. This is a major mistake, but it would have been liveable with if the fullscreen version was included aswell. But it's not, just this new matted version that butchers the composition and IMHO it's no better than panned and scanned.<br />This new anamorphic 1.85 print will also be used for the US release, apparently, but you can guarantee that the correct fullscreen version will be on there too. And despite reports on some sites, Sam Raimi did not approve this 1.85 transfer and isn't happy (from my reliable source, who I'll believe until I hear something to the contrary from Raimi himself). <br />The US release will also have the DTS ES 6.1 sound mix, they're in negotiations to get clearance to include Raimi's Evil Dead prototype "Within The Woods" on the US disc (problems with licensing the soundtrack which used music from various classic horror films), and it'll be available with a limited edition "Book Of The Dead" reproduction packaging in the shape of the actual Necronomicon from the film. A similar limited version was released quietly recently in Germany (German language only) and looks absolutely stunning. There may be other extras on the US disc aswell, but the commentaries on the R2 disc are just the 2 from the Elite Special Edition that's been around in the US for a while now and is in it's original and correct Academy 1.33:1 (technically 1.37:1) ratio.

    I really wanted to get this disc for myself too, but the review copy is not as good as it could be. I don't mind a grainy picture one little bit, if anything it helps create atmosphere, but the overmatting has ruined what could have been a good grounding for a new company. I still trust what they're doing with their Halloween set, but this hiccup with Evil Dead is unfortunate. Especially with the US THX set looming in the not too distant future. Although, Anchor Bay UK have claimed that anything that gets released into the US market will get equivalent treatment in the UK, which if true, means they'll be re-releasing Evil Dead at some point anyway.

    Save your pennies guys.
     
  7. PoochJD

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    Rambo,

    Thanks for your helpful info. Don't suppose you or your friend know when this new R1 re-release Tin Edition might actually surface, from Anchor Bay?

    Pooch
     
  8. Rambo John J

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    No firm dates or speculation yet I'm afraid Pooch. It won't be a tin though for the limited edition, it's a kind of full sized latex(or something like) sculpted book, in skin effect complete with screaming face on the cover...an exact reproduction of the one in the film. I'll see if I can dig up my link to the picture of the German version - it's very impressive.
     
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    I dont want to annoy anyone but does it really matter what sort of case ( as long as its not torn or damaged ) that a film comes in ?

    At the end of the day its just an exscuse for the film companies to fleece more money of the punters and lets face it most of these so called limited edition packages are not that "limited" just look at AKIRA which companies like movietyme still are able to get hold of ( mysteriously aquired extra copies but you have to pay loads more )

    Its all well and good having this pachaging as a gimick ( such as the soon to be released BASIC INSTINCT and TOTAL RECALL ) but it seems to me as if people are buying some of these films b'cos they come in nice boxes rather than a great film.

    Anyway thats my rant over with <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

    I have a copy of the R2 Evil Dead on order as its a film I have found memories of ( but have not seen for a few years ) and also have ordered the up-coming HALLOWEEN special edition which looks very nice.

    Its good to see that we are getting some good quality R2 releases coming up ( the above mentioned films along with ARMAGEDDON special edition and THE GODFATHER trilogy ) which match the R1 releases. It can only be good for the DVD market as a whole
     
  10. PoochJD

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    Duncan,

    You said: "...but does it really matter what sort of case ( as long as its not torn or damaged ) that a film comes in ?"

    For me, then it's yes! Your asking the exact same thing, as someone who might ask "Why should someone buy a red Porsche, instead of yellow one? Surely the actual vehicles are the same?!" It's down to individual tastes. Those who don't want Special Edition boxes, don't need to buy or keep them, but those of us who do, can and will. I like the uniqueness of having some DVD's in non ordinary Amaray boxes, same as I like having some versions of CD's or books or comics, in non-regualr editions.

    You then said: "At the end of the day its just an exscuse for the film companies to fleece more money of the punters and lets face it most of these so called limited edition packages are not that "limited"."

    Well, you are right to a certain degree, but it's also down to givng people choice, and something a little different from the norm. Imagine if all cars only came in black, and no other colours. Or, if DVD's all came in single Amaray DVD cases? It would be a very boring world we live in, without any uniqueness to distinguish one persons collection from another.

    As for your comment about Movietyme, and the "Akira Tin Edition", I don't think that's necessarily right what you said.

    Yes, they may have been able to get more of the Limited Tin Edition, but that could be down to a number of reasons, including an excellent spplier who knows what they are doing; being lucky, or simply keeping some stock in reserve. As for the price they are now charging, it's not too much different from an OOP edition of say a Criterion DVD being sold on E-bay, except that the price keeps on rising on E-bay!

    You then went on to say: "...it seems to me as if people are buying some of these films b'cos they come in nice boxes rather than a great film."

    Maybe, maybe not. Again, it's down to each DVD owners personal preference. However, I buy the DVD for the film, and then look at the packaging second.

    Just my opinion, though....

    Pooch
     
  11. Rambo John J

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    I'm not saying buy the US Evil Dead set, when it's released, purely for for the Book Of The Dead packaging. I'm saying buy it because the UK disc is in completely the wrong aspect ratio. I know because I've seen it.

    Question - would you buy the Star Wars trilogy released onto DVD in pan and scan? Or any film for that matter? There's uproar in the US at the moment because Willy Wonka is being released fullscreen only, and rightly so (that there's uproar, not that it's released fullscreen).

    The US Evil Dead THX (note the UK disc isn't THX certified) set will be released in various editions next year, but the limited Book Of The Dead version will be the most sought after because it is the Necronomicon. It'll also more than likely have the apect ratio sorted out properly as I doubt Sam Raimi is going to allow his film to be released in it's "definitive" edition in the wrong ratio. It hasn't been "reframed" as some sources claim; they've simply masked the top and bottom of the screen and run it through the telecine machine. It's not right, it's been massively cropped when it shouldn't have been, they've destroyed the composition of the frame purely to get what people think an anamorphic picture should look like. Fact is, it's wrong.

    If people aren't bothered that's fine, but some are, and information like this can stop them making the mistakes that those who are unaware of a few facts will end up making
     
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    Thanks for the info.

    I'll defitely be waiting for the US release - First of all I want the ratio problems to be sorted, second I would love to see the "Within The Woods" prototype and thirdly I REALLY want that Limited Edition packaging. Packaging isn't the be all and end all but sometimes it just puts the icing on the cake - Know what I mean? <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
     
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    Anyone interested in the "is it or isn't it the correct aspect ratio" question should take a trip over to <a href="http://splatterboards.splatterhouse.net" target="_blank">http://splatterboards.splatterhouse.net</a> and go to 2 seperate threads...

    on the NEWS BOARD; the "Halloween from ABUK" thread

    and on the MAIN BOARD; the "Evil Dead" thread

    Where Bill Lustig (some will know, some won't <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> ) of Anchor Bay in the US has taken time out to answer some of the the technical questions that have arisen surrounding the UK release of Evil Dead, it's aspect ratio, how it was mastered, and he's even thrown in a few pointers as to what to expect on the horizon from Anchor Bay UK. Some of what he says conflicts somewhat with information I've had passed on from Tim Philo, Evil Dead's cinematographer (specifically regarding the aspect ratio) but he does put to rest the fact that the UK release may not have been as good a quality master as it could have been. I'd condense it down but it makes more sense if you read it. However, even though they have a newly restored Hi-Def print in the fullscreen ratio, it's disappointing that they don't currently intend to release it in either territory. Not yet, anyway....

    I still won't be buying the UK edition, but if anyone's interested in this whole thing, it's good to see someone like Bill Lustig actually talking with the grass roots fans about it.<br />You don't get that from George Lucas <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> , although you do from Romero

    [ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Rambo John J ]</p>
     
  14. PoochJD

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    Hi Again,

    For Rambo and anyone else, I think that now that I know that there is to be a new R1 Anchor Bay edition, (due out early-mid 2002), then I will wait. Not solely because of the stupendous-sounding packaging (Ummmmm! Nice next to their other Evil Dead II Tin Set! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> ), but because a) the film is not in the correct ratio; b) because it will have more extras and a better print; and also because c) Anchor Bay always do excellent DVD's.

    PLus, there are also the following AB (R1) titles due out soonish....

    Bad Taste: Limited Edition (End of 2001)

    Evil Dead: Limited "Book Of The Dead" Edition<br />(Early-mid 2002)

    Highlander: Limited THX Edition (Mid 2002) (Does this mean that there will finally be one version of this classic cult movie that is actually in a superb print?!)

    Zombie (aka Zombie: Flesh Eaters) (Late 2002)

    Pooch
     
  15. Rambo John J

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    Well, hopefully this picture link will work...<br /> [​IMG] <br />and if it does you'll now be able to see just why Pooch, tee and myself think it's worth holding on.
     
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    Cool, it actually worked.<br />Are those saliva glands starting to work yet Pooch? <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
     
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    Rambo,

    Oh yes!!! I feel a filmic/DVD-type orgasm coming on here, folks! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

    Pooch
     

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