On guitar I mean. Bleedin hell Summers Riffs need a long stretch, my hands are aching like f@@@@. I never realised how good a guitarist he is, I bought the albums, loved the singles, but summers is definitely not like other guitarists, all those jazzy 9ths. I was attempting message in a bottle and realised I had played a very similar riff...........By The Music..........just slowed down, obvious where their guitarists influences lie. Had a listen to some of his solo stuff, interesting, cos some of that also sounds suspiciously like The Music as well, just a different time and phrase. He did some collaboration work with Robert Fripp (another guitar hero of mine). Its all interesting stuff, not poppy or commercial, but theres lots of bits which could be. Anyone else followed the carrers of these two guys?