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Epson TW3200/TW3600 - FAQ and info guide

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Jmog, Jan 23, 2011.

  1. Jmog

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    The Epson TW3200/TW3600 owner's thread is becoming quite large and during it's span a lot of interesting info has been brought forth. 23+ pages is quite a handfull though so the aim of this post is to collect as much relevant info into one post which will be updated as and when something new happens in the owner's thread which warrants it. I will also post some FAQs and answers. In other words, this is not meant as a substitute for the owners thread so keep on posting there - I will update this post accordingly. The owner's thread is the research staff at work collecting data - this post contains the results :)

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    FAQ - before you buy:

    Q: How big is it? Will it fit on my existing shelf/mount?
    A: 39 cm x 45 cm x 14,5 cm (Depth x Width x Height). Weight is 7,3kg.

    Q: Show me unboxing shots so I can get an idea of how big it is
    A: http://www.avforums.com/forums/projectors/1351455-epson-tw3200-3600-owners-thread.html#post13337208

    Q: How much space do I need behind the Epson for cables?
    A: Depends how thick/bendy your cables are but 5cm/2inches should be enough in most cases.

    Q: If I buy this projector I won't have enough money for a mount! Any tips?
    A1: Andromance has made a great DYI guide for making a cheap mount here:
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/proj...w3200-3600-owners-thread-20.html#post13935994
    A2: Another alternative is just fitting a normal shelf. Example here:
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/proj...tw3200-3600-owners-thread-2.html#post13360643
    A3: Mademyday has made this elegant solution:
    http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-117-1377.html

    Q: How close/far from the screen can I place it to get image sixe x?
    A: Use the calculator on projectorcentral.com:
    Epson Europe EH-TW3600 Projection Calculator - Throw Distance and Screen Size

    Q: Does it make any difference whether I mount it upside down under the ceiling or on a low shelf on the wall?
    A: A bit. The projector gets slightly hotter when mounted upside down which the fan compensates for and is therefore slightly more noisy.

    Q: Screw noise! But I can't mount it any lower?!
    A: You don't need to. The projector has enough lens shift to be mounted in topside up position and project an image with the top lower than the actual projetor.

    Q: Excellent! Are there any drawbacks?
    A: Yes, but they depend on how much lens shift you use. If you go to the absolute limit then there is a chance that you will se a bit of convergence. This will not be visible from your viewing position though. Some people have reported a slight red tinge to the corners of the image when using maximum lens shift. This is only visible when no colours are projected onto the screen though. Several people are using maximum lens shift and have experienced no side effects.

    Q: What's the best way to mount it theoretically?
    A: The projector should be roughly the same height as the center of the image. There's a lot of leeway before you get in the danger zone for lens shift side effects though so don't worry too much about it. There are almost none of the owners of the TW3200/TW3600 who have it mounted at the same height as the image center, myself included.

    Q: Is it noisy? Will this annoy me?
    A: This depends on personal preference. If you have owned a projector before then most likely the answer will be no. The noise level is 28db in high mode and 22db in eco mode. Most people prefer eco due to longer bulp life and better black level in movies. 22db places it among the most quiet projectors out there. If you've never owned a pj before, the enormous image is a BIG compensating factor for the noise. Yes, compared to your noiseless TV it is "noisy". But you can only hear it when there is no sound coming from your sound system and even then it is rather quiet. The noise comes from the front air went so sitting below or behind the projector will be less noisy than having the projector mounted behind you.

    Q: I really hate noise. Please tell me everything that minimises the noise level. Give me a list!
    A: Eco mode for the lamp, Cinema Colour mode (or x.v.colour), mounting it in topside up position, turning Auto Iris off.

    Q: What are the differences between the TW3200 and TW3600? Is the higher price for the TW3600 worth it?
    A: If you google it you will find that some sites claim that they are essentially the same and the extra price is a scam. You will also find some having made a more thorough comparison showing that there IS a difference. The consensus seems to be that if you have a perfect batcave (dark wall and ceiling combined with a good screen and no ambient light) then there will be a difference in black level between the two models. Nothing excessively dramatic though. If you plan on using it in a room with ambient light or walls/ceiling which isn't dark then they will be indistinguishable. The TW3600 is specced at 2000 lumen brightness versus the 1800 lumens of the TW3200. This will not matter much though since the optimum for movies is less than 800 lumens and the 1800 lumens of the TW3200 is plenty for use in conditions with ambient light.

    Q: What are the EXACT differences in the specs between the TW3200 and the TW3600?
    A: Contrast ratio of 50,000:1 versus 25,000:1. Brightness 2000 lumen versus 1800 lumen. On some sites the TW3200's colour bit depth is wrongly listed as 10 bit versus the 12 bit of the TW3600. In actuality they are both 12 bit. Some sites don't list either model supporting 24fps - they both do.

    Q: Will it be suitable for games? I don't wan't any lag disturbing my fun!
    A: There is no lag. I've played computer games since I was 5 years old and with both music games (Rock Band), driving games (Forza 3) and action games (Uncharted, COD: Modern Warfare) I notice no lag. I am running a 10m HDMI cable to the PJ.

    Q: How good is the scaler in the projector? Will I need an external scaler?
    A: The internal scaler is pretty good. DVDs (480p/576p) look excellent without external scaling. 3:2 pulldown is executed efficiently with no unwanted judder. A very good external scaler might improve the image even further though but the internal scaling should please most people.

    Q: How cool is the projector?
    A: Way cool. At its pricepoint, you won't find any better LCD projector on the market. It's quiet, has great colours and black level and is very easy to place due to huge lens shift capabilities and zoom.

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    Let me see what it can do! Show me pictures which will tempt me!

    The following images give a pretty good impression of what the TW3200 can do. In real life it looks better but this is definetely in the ballpark.

    Pure eyecandy with bright scenes (Dark Knight, Cars, Prince Caspian):
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/proj...w3200-3600-owners-thread-13.html#post13734462

    More eyecandy (Braveheart, Kung Fu Panda, Forbidden Kingdom, Fearless):
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/proj...w3200-3600-owners-thread-19.html#post13892247

    Very dark scenes (Blade Runner Final Cut):
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/proj...w3200-3600-owners-thread-16.html#post13796786

    Animated movies (Road To Eldorado, Akira, Paprika, Valhalla, Lion King, Surf's Up):
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/projectors/1351455-epson-tw3200-3600-owners-thread-3.html

    Colour eyecandy (Speed Racer):
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/13956189-post623.html

    Tron Legacy:
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/projectors/1432615-epson-tw3200-3600-owners-thread-part-2-a-27.html#post15339399


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    I've bought it! What are the best image settings?

    The Projector has several presets which you can chose by pressing the Colour Mode button on the remote. Their names and recommended uses are as follows:

    Colour Modes
    -Living Room: Very bright and reasonably accurate colour reproduction. Is ideal for daytime use or cases where you for some reason have to turn on a lamp in the room. For a lot of games where cinema tends to be too dark, Living Room can be quite fine even in a darkened room. Black levels are not very good though.
    -Dynamic: Basically it's Living Room mode with the colours dialed up to 11 out of 10. Apart from looking horrid the colour balance is also wildly inaccurate with a red level through the roof. This mode has absolutely no use.
    -Natural: By many nicknamed "UNnatural". It's almost lifeless in its lack of colour. Way too cold.
    -Cinema: Top of the pops. Excellent black level and colour balance. This should be your starting point before you mess around with fine tuning. Not much is needed though since Epson have pretty much nailed it. Some people have made slight adjustments to brightness, contrast and colour tint using calibration discs. What the adjustments should be will depend on your screen and room conditions. The noise of the projector drops dramatically in Cinema mode.
    -X.V.colour: On paper this should be the best mode living up to industry standards for correct reproduction of colours. Pretty much everyone agrees that the colours are too flat compared to cinema. Also when in x.v.colour most of the settings for fine tuning the image are disabled so it makes more sense to run in Cinema and fine tune that instead. Black level and noise is the same as Cinema.

    To get the best possible black level and contrast, the colour system output by your sources need to match up with the colour system you have chosen on the Projector. Blu-rays and DVDs are encoded with "component" colour space - sometimes calles yPbPr colour space. The opposite is RGB colour space which is used by computers (some graphic cards can output yPbPr) and game consoles. Although movies are encoded as yPbPr there are many players which can output both formats and this has a dramatic effect on image quality if the movie, player and display aren't all using the same colour space as lossy conversion takes place. The settings mentioned below should in theory be just as beneficial for every projector model on the market.

    Blu-ray and DVD settings for optimum colour and black level:
    -On the player, set it to output yPbPr/component. This might also be called HDMI Range limited or normal. If the colour level is shown as 0-256 and 16-235 then 16-235 is the same as yPbPr/component. If there are several settings for yPbPr then yPbPr 4:4:4 is the correct one. Some players (Like the Sony PS3) have both a setting for HDMI Range and for Video Output.

    TW3200/TW3600 settings for optimum colour and black level with movies:
    -In the Signal menu choose Advanced and then HDMI Range. It can be set to either Expanded or normal (locked to Normal if Epson Super White is ON). Choose HDMI Range Normal.
    -In the Image menu set Brightness control to Eco mode. Brightness is thereby lowered a tiny bit and this increases life time of the bulp. Also black level is increased slightly and the fan is less noisy.
    -In the Image menu set Auto iris to High Speed: Will unquestionably increase black level slightly in very dark scenes with it's lowering of the light coming through the iris on a scene by scene basis. The downside is a slight noise from the iris when it opens/closes. There are two settings - Normal and High Speed mode. Normal is not recommended as it can't really keep up with very fast cuts between bright and dark scenes. High Speed is almost perfect visually but does make more noise. Like the noise from the projector's fan it is inaudible except during silent scenes in movies. Some don't mind, others do - so you will have to try for yourself to see if you prefer it off or on.
    -In the image menu set Colour temperature to 7000k: The default is 6500k and for most projectors this is the best setting. The colour temperature is a bit warmer on the TW3200 than the norm though so several prefer to counter this with either the 7000k or 7500k setting. Black level also benefits slightly from 7000k/7500k.
    -In the Gamma menu (press "Gamma" on the remote) several people have experienced better black level when running with the Gamma 2.3 setting in stead of the default 2.2 setting.

    Photos of a TW3200 running in cinema mode and wrong/correct combinations of the above mentioned colour space settings demonstrated:
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/proj...w3200-3600-owners-thread-10.html#post13648788

    Photos of TW3200 with comparisons of Living Room mode/Cinema Mode/x.v.colour comparisons:
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/proj...w3200-3600-owners-thread-16.html#post13796784


    Other noteworthy settings:

    -Epson Super White: This setting is supposed to combat whites which are too bright and blooming. In effect overall brightness is lowered a tiny bit with a subtle focus on lowering especially the colour white. This is slightly different than just lowering the brightness setting. The benefit is hard to see unless you compare material with excessive whites. When turned ON the HDMI Range option is greyed out and automatically set to Normal. Longer explanation:
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/proj...w3200-3600-owners-thread-21.html#post13956156

    -2:2 pulldown: the upsampling of 1080p24 material to 48fps. Reduces judder with 24hz material such as blu-ray movies. This setting only affects 24hz material so should always be on. Is on as default.

    Maintenance:

    To ensure that you don't get dust blobs on the LCD panels or that the PJ runs too hot, you should do the following:
    -Not use the PJ in a room with a lot of dust.
    -Clean the air filter about every 100 hours of lamp time. Follow the guide on page 45 in the manual if you are unsure how to do this:
    Manual
     
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    Nice one J:thumbsup:
     
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    Good work JMOG, what about Gamma I think 2.3 improves blacks..
     
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    Great! very good work Jmog... TAK!!

    Soon I will post some pics of the 3200 on a stylish home made shelf mounted on the "ceiling" and if you want I can post a HOW TO tutorial in the owners thread of course.
     
  5. Jmog

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    I agree. Added to the list :)

    And a how-to on making a cheap mount is a great idea, Andromance. I'll add a link to it when it's done.
     
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    Thank you Jmog! Awesome FAQ, really!
     
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    FAQ updated with link to Andromance's post about making a cheap mount yourself.
     
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    FAQ updated with further details regarding Epson Super White and 2:2 pulldown.
     
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    Thank you so much for this guide - much appreciated!

    To be honest since using the 'Cinema' mode I haven't felt the need to tweak anything, though I really need to make sure my Oppo BDP-83 and Epson are both set up correctly now having read your guide.

    Cheers :smashin:

    - John
     
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    This is excellent! Someone should do a similar summary for the Panny G20 plasma owners thread :eek:

    Just need to get this purchase past the boss :suicide:
     
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    Thanks guys :). And projectorhead, definetely check out your HDMI range setting. It will make a world of difference in dark scenes if it isn't already correct.

    Faq changes:
    -Altered the description of Epson Super White and its uses.
    -Added link to shots of Speed Racer (BD)
     
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    FAQ changes:
    -Added a description of Dynamic colour mode and altered the existing one of Natural colour mode. I had mixed them up so the description of Natural was actually intended for Dynamic and Dynamic wasn't mentioned at all.
     
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    This morning is arrived my screen but now the image is worse than before :(
    Can someone help me to set the pj(I've got the 3600 but I think is the same of the 3200 as regard the setting)? The Black Level now is horrible, I hope not to have spent a lot of money for the screen for nothing :(
     
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    What screen did you buy and what was the colour of the wall you were projecting onto before you got the screen.

    You were previously happy with the image quality so have you changed a setting or maybe the screen is not suited to the settings you have now.
     
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    Sorry I wrote in the FAQ topic instead of the owner topic. I will post there my question ;)
     
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    Faq changes:
    -Added link to unboxing shots in the FAQ.
    -Added link to shots of shelf-mounting the PJ in the FAQ.
    -Edited the wording regarding the need for scaling in the FAQ as it could be interpreted as if no benefit would come from external scaling.
     
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    Should i leave the iris on or off? Does the blacklevel suffer much if i leave it off? It's kinda noisy and i can easily hear it in silent scenes. I want the best possible black since i have white walls and ceiling :(

    Anyway.. i'm very happy with my purchase and its a great value for the money. I had a Panny PT AE-4000 before this (sold it because of dust blob problems) and i actually enjoy the picture more on the TW3200 :eek: I know the Panny is the overall better projector, but since im surrounded by white walls, the difference is hard to see.

    And thanks for sharing your wisdom about the TW3200 jmog :D
     
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    Unfortunately Jmog hasnt been around for a while so im not sure if you will get a response.

    In my own experience I thought the difference between the iris being on or off was absolutely minimal and not worth it due to the extra noise, so I keep mine of on eco mode and cinema so I dont hear it at all.
     
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    you have the length as 45 and the width as 39, but the photos show it as wider than it is long. are those measurements right? i always thought it was about 14" long, so more like the 39 than the 45. could someone confirm?

    thanks for doing this thread! great resource :)
     
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    You are absolutely right - an error on my part. I've corrected the Faq now - thanks :)
     
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    I'm back :). Sorry for not replying - I've been busy at work for the last couple of months and for some reason I didn't get any notification mails when you replied to this thread.

    I agree, the iris feature is by no means a massive improvement. It IS an improvement though, but how much varies with the content you are watching. With a colourful or very bright film (animation for example) you probably won't even notice the benefits. In very dark movies such as Blade Runner or the recent Harry Potter movies, the benefits are clearer.

    But it really comes down to preference. Can you stand the noise or not. If the noise bothers you then the potential gains of the iris are void. I sometimes watch my movies late at night with headphones so as not to disturb the neighbors. I always leave iris on then. When I watch without headphones, I only use the iris when I think the visual makeup of the movie warrants it.
     
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    Thanks a lot Jmog for summarising the very long thread here!

    I see most people place the projector close to the wall, but the manual actually advises to leave a 20cm gap. (p.37 troubleshooting section). It is not clear if this advice is only if you get overheating, or for every installation.
     
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    Well, the 20cm gap is a "the more the better" recommendation from a manufacturer who wants to be absolutely sure. I'd say it altso depends on whether there is room to the sides and above the back of the projector. If the whole projector is enclosed then the (rather slim amount of) air coming out the back will make the projector hotter. I have completely free space to both the sides and above the projector (including sides and above the back). So the air is blown right at the wall but has plenty of room to rise up/to the sides with no danger of "staying behind" and heating up the pj.

    The hot air coming from the rear exhaust really is quite minimal. Most of the hot air comes from the from exhaust. I wouldn't worry if I was you as long as the warm air has space to rise up.
     
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    Apologies if this has already been answered in the forum, but what screen type is best for this projector? I read that the black levels aren't perfect so would a grey screen be best?

    Many thanks.
     
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    A grey screen is better.
     
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    Many many thanks for this info, my 3200 arrived at the weekend and I've not had time to go over the settings, just made sure it was set to Cinema. Will need to check my settings on my BluRay/Av to make sure everything is as it should be.
     
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    My 3200 is saying that from my PS3 I'm getting RGB 4:4:4 and I've no idea how to change this?
    Any ideas?
     
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    Settings -> Display Settings ->
    -RGB Full Range (HDMI): "Limited"

    Limited = Component
    Full = RGB

    And you want component for movies.
     
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    Hmm, thought I'd already made the change, does the PS3 need restarting.
    Also, you state component for movies, is RGB better for games? :thumbsup:
     
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    No, the PS3 shouldn't need to be restarted.

    And you are quite right, RGB is best for gaming or any material which hasn't originated in the movie world (computer desktop etc).
     

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