Epson EH-LS100 Laser LCD Projector Review & Comments

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    1. Steve Withers

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    2. Mallardo

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      That is one fugly looking projector.
       
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      Interesting concept... Should work well for mixed use rooms
       
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      Seems like Epson is putting a toe in the consumer market for this type of product to gauge reactions, which if it sells well probably means they will bring out a dedicated 4K consumer version in the future. (Or if sales are poor forget it altogether)

      Bill
       
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      I find the price horrendous for a thing that will give neither a good contrast nor good blacks and limited to 2K with so-so colours! Even a 55" we can clearly see the difference between 2K and a good 4K. I do not understand how those 2K projectors make any sense at those prices.
       
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      Sometimes a short throw and 100"+ size are both required (e.g. short and wide media rooms). Trading a bit of contrast and 4K to get to it is worth it in those situations and will be more cinematic than the very best 65" OLED...

      This is a good option to have. What comes close at this price?
       
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      I think I understand what you're saying, but I must say I am quite sceptical about 2K at 100".
       
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      Really? How close do you sit to your tv?;)

      Seriously though, there is much more to a good picture than simply resolution. A good quality full HD projector can produce a fantastic image at sizes up to 120in, assuming you are sat at a sensible distance. I don't include this projector in that description, by the way

      Personally I would take an 100in projected 2K picture over a 55in 4K TV all day long.
       
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      4K (even upscaled pseudo 4K) would look better at that size, with a close seating distance, but the prices for such short throw projectors are stilll very high...

      And at 100" and say, 3+ meter seating distance the size is still a better tradeoff than resolution for movies in my opinion.

      I haven't seen this specific projector, but going off of other projectors that I've seen at that size/resolution, it probably makes sense for people who are looking for size.

      I wonder if pairing this projector with a grey screen would make more sense than a 1.0 gain white screen.
       
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      I definitely think that this kind of projector has a future in the mass market. Something like this Sony that combines style with function. . Sony’s $30,000 4K projector is its crowning CES achievement

      I can see this kind of thing being very popular if the prices start to come down in a few years. A lot of people want a big picture and decent sound but don't want a huge TV or a projector hanging from the ceiling and all the faff of AV receivers and speakers.
       
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      Pro:

      If burglars break into your home, they'll likely mistake it for an all in one printer / scanner and not bother stealing it
       
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      Is there something like an ugly consumer product award? I think they could win it.
       
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      Surprised no one's mentioned the Xiaomi Mi UST laser projector by way of comparison (for half the price). Oh, bum, I just did.
       
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      Yeah, I expected Roku2 to show up extolling it's virtues. I think he may work for them.
       
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      This projector has been out ages ago last year, Epson can't think much of it, only seen it for sale in a couple of places.
       
    16. Steve Withers

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      I watch 1080p Blu-rays on a 10 foot wide screen all the time and they look spectacular. Just because we now have 4K that hasn't suddenly made 1080p redundant. In fact as we often say about Ultra HD, it's not so much about the resolution but about the dynamic range and colour gamut. The majority of the films you see at the cinema are still finished at 2K but do they look terrible on a massive cinema screen?
       
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      A lot of Ultra HD blurays go through a 2K stage as well
       
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      Yes, we heard the same things about DVD when 1080p appeared. The truth is, DVD look terrible at anything above 50".

      The fact that many 4K Blu-Rays are actually 2K does not imply that 4K looks like 2K.

      I agree HDR is a bigger game changer than 4K vs. 2K, but only up to a certain display size. And by the way, that expensive projector of course deprives you of HDR too.

      I have seen Blu-Ray on a 65" TV we had for a week before returning it. At 65" it starts to break down on a TV. I understand that the fuzziness of a projection (compared to LCD sharpness) kind of hides that up to a point, but being fuzzy is not a positive attribute in my opinion.

      I do find that most cinema projections look terrible indeed. I am totally spoiled by my OLED TV and plasma before that.

      Now, I am not saying it is silly to project Blu-Rays. I am sorry if I appeared to say that.

      What I am saying is that those 1080p proectors cost a lot of money compared to even OLED TVs and when you add the screen budget you end up with something that in my opinion offers bad value on the image quality front.
       
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      By your logic we should all be watching movies on a 4k 17" laptop display.
       
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      @StephaneBosman I'm glad you like your OLED better than home projectors and commercial cinemas... This product isn't for you.

      A lot of us find that projection is far more cinematic than any 65" OLED TV can ever be... Even at 1080p... To each their own...

      For me, i't not really cinema if the screen is smaller than I am... :cool:
       
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      I'd dare say the experience is quite different between a 55" OLED and a laptop display.
       
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      Like an ugly girlfriend, I wouldn't be able to look at it without wondering if I could have done better.
       
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      Featured on tonight’s Gadget Show on C5 in comparison to a TV, the projector won with commensurate ease. (Although the comparison could have been better)

      Should also be available to view on Demand 5

      Bill
       
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      But do you change your mind once the lights go out... ;)
       
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      Steve was just on the telly :cool:
       
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      Shame he didn't setup the test and be part of it, but soon he will become a gadget show regular :).. I must say I really like the new gadget show it's the best it's ever been imo.
       
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      What on earth are you talking about?! Blu-ray looks great and sharp as anything on my 60” plasma, when I’ve looked at 4K TV’s they barely look any different to me sharpness wise.

      I also find it odd you talk about sharpness but say you love the look of plasma which isn’t as digital and sharp as LCD and lauded for its softer “filmic” picture....

      Have you actually demoed a hometheatre projector at all to make such claims because whilst not as good as an OLED tv in terms of contrast they still compare very favourably to mid-range LCDs and better than the cinema.

      I’ve actually only demoed one once about 10 years ago and I’ve wanted one ever since, the scale was just insane, something a smaller screen (even 65”) can’t begin to match. Normally I’m very critical of picture quality but I was so awe-struck at the experience I forgot about analysing everything but blacks/contrast were more than fine which even my PZ81 at the time I wasn’t entirely happy with.

      Long story short I’ve now picked up a 104” screen and projector on these very forums and looking forward to setting it up next week! Mostly got it for 3D as I’m swapping out the plasma for a Panasonic 65FZ952 but I suspect I may ended using it more than the OLED.
       
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      I have to agree a good quality 1080p blu-ray does the job spot on for my tv or projector, I have tried 4k and hdr on both tv and projectors its really not worth the hassle upgrading for the sake of just having it, not a fan of HDR at all to the point I have ditched it.

      The comments on the gadget show how loud this Epson is makes it a deal breaker for me though, any upgrade now for me projector wise requires below 30db running noise in the mode I want to use it in.
       
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      Agree entirely.

      UST is the way I want to go but I need it to look and sound far less like a fax machine from Space 1999.

      :rotfl:
       
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