Empty seats...

loz

Distinguished Member
Surprised, or perhaps not, that there are so many empty seats at the events I flicked flicked through today. Womens football in places like coventry was always going to struggle I guess, but looking at the 'crowds' for non UK matches it is just embarrassing. They could at least give them away to school kids.

But I was surprised that there are so many empty seats at the men's gymnastics at the O2 this afternoon even with team GB competing. I thought it would be a sell out. Are people buying tickets but just not turning up?
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
This whole ticketing thing has been a fiasco. I know it is probably a lot more technical than I imagine it is (or maybe it isn't!!), but I know a few folks who didn't get any tickets, yet there are empty seats all over the place.
 

hdsport

Well-known Member
The problem I guess is lots of people went for the same tickets i.e. low cost tickets for high prestige events which sold out very quickly.

I'm assuming it's the high cost (and or corporate) seats are those that empty.
 

cabanatuan

Banned
The problem I guess is lots of people went for the same tickets i.e. low cost tickets for high prestige events which sold out very quickly.

I'm assuming it's the high cost (and or corporate) seats are those that empty.
not an issue in premier league footy matches amongs the big teams.

Also in F1 not an issue either as the grand stands are always full from the looks of it
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
hdsport said:
The problem I guess is lots of people went for the same tickets i.e. low cost tickets for high prestige events which sold out very quickly.

I'm assuming it's the high cost (and or corporate) seats are those that empty.

Most definitely not. The tennis courts were practically empty, as where a lot of (cheaper looking) seats in the Aquatic centre.

I'm sure we will hear more about this in coming days.
 

hdsport

Well-known Member
not an issue in premier league footy matches amongs the big teams.

Also in F1 not an issue either as the grand stands are always full from the looks of it

The Premier League is not really a comparison it has a massive dedicated audience, gymnastics etc. just doesn't in this country.

As for F1 it's not all sellouts (far from it) there were plenty of empty seats at Hockenheim especially on Friday/Saturday last week. Valencia's capacity has been cut from 112,00 in '08 to 45,000 this year.

Turkey was getting 30000 before the plug was pulled. There were entire stands empty in China and Bahrain had an attendance of 28,000.

Silverstone does well for actual numbers but if you look into it how many of those who go actually pay to get in?
 
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hdsport

Well-known Member
Most definitely not. The tennis courts were practically empty, as where a lot of (cheaper looking) seats in the Aquatic centre.

I haven't seen much of the tennis but for the swimming what I saw this morning when it was very obviously not full, the upper 'wings' were fairly full and with those seats lower down being more sparsely populated.

So I'm guessing they were either corporate/high cost or accredited seats (for media/officials).

I've seen pictures of floor level seats at the gymnastics looking pretty empty again I doubt they were the cheap seats.
 
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cabanatuan

Banned
hdsport said:
The Premier League is not really a comparison it has a massive dedicated audience, gymnastics etc. just doesn't in this country.

As for F1 there were plenty of empty seats at Hockenheim especially on Friday/Saturday last week. Valencia's capacity has been cut from 112,00 in '08 to 45,000 this year.

Turkey was getting 30000 before the plug was pulled. There were entire stands empty in China and Bahrain had an attendance of 28,000.

Its a fair comparison mate. Tickets for the Olympics where sold out yet only half of the people turned up. Football gets sold out easily and they have the attendance figures to back it up. This is the Olympics mates done in our home soil. This is bigger than f1 or the premier league
 

hdsport

Well-known Member
This is the Olympics mates done in our home soil. This is bigger than f1 or the premier league

It is bigger in overall terms but it doesn't mean that everyone wants to watch every event equally.

There were 1m+ applications for the Men's 100m final how many of those wanted tickets for the some of the more more minor events.

Empty seats look bad but if it turns out they are general sale tickets that have been sold what can they do? Again if they are accredited seats for media/officials they can't do much either.
 
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cabanatuan

Banned
hdsport said:
It is bigger in overall terms but it doesn't mean that everyone wants to watch every event equally.

There were 1m+ applications for the Men's 100m final how many of those wanted tickets for the some of the more more minor events.

Empty seats look bad but if it turns out they are general sale tickets that have been sold what can they do? Again if they are accredited seats for media/officials they can't do much either.

So why do half the people buy the tickets then? There are millions of people who wish they could go to any sort of even for the Olympics but can't because some greedy idiot bought them all and Diddnt turn up
 

hdsport

Well-known Member
So why do half the people buy the tickets then? There are millions of people who wish they could go to any sort of even for the Olympics but can't because some greedy idiot bought them all and Diddnt turn up

Well we don't know for certain what they are but there's lots of talk of them being accredited seats for officials/sponsors/athletes etc. which I assume LOCOG have to allow for. I doubt the IOC will let them fill those seats will school kids.

If they are general sale tickets a returns sales mechanism (like Wimbledon) might be suggested but I'd guess that security and logistical concerns would stop that. I don't think they'd want 1000s of extra people going to the Olympic park 'just in case' and maybe preventing people who have tickets getting there!

You could have Beijing style 'professional' seat fillers but there would be a huge tabloid storm if LOCOG were found to be doing that.
 
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loz

Distinguished Member
In fairness LOCOG have said effectively that if sponsors don't fill their seats, then they will. Coe promised no empty seats and said he would not allow sponsors to not use their allocation and would sell them to the public if the sponsors couldn't guarantee to use them. The problem is more likely that the sponsors believe the seats are being used but have handed them out to their clients but it is the client who isn't turning up so the sponsor can't do much about it.

I would have the sponsor phoning everyone they have given a ticket to and if they can't guarantee a bum on a seat, then the privelage is removed.
 

cabanatuan

Banned
Well we don't know for certain what they are but there's lots of talk of them being accredited seats for officials/sponsors/athletes etc. which I assume LOCOG have to allow for. I doubt the IOC will let them fill those seats will school kids.

If they are general sale tickets a returns sales mechanism (like Wimbledon) might be suggested but I'd guess that security and logistical concerns would stop that. I don't think they'd want 1000s of extra people going to the Olympic park 'just in case' and maybe preventing people who have tickets getting there!

You could have Beijing style 'professional' seat fillers but there would be a huge tabloid storm if LOCOG were found to be doing that.

As far as i know, when you buy a day ticket to the olympic park, you can possibly see any event in the park if there are empty seats and as you can see. there was and wasnt filled with the people that where already inside the park!:facepalm:
 

Monkeytom95

Active Member
Not sure if this has anything to do with today's empty seats; but it appears on the ticketing website there's now more tickets for the gymnastics, haven't quite ventured into any of the other sports, the site keeps crashing
 

cabanatuan

Banned
Not sure if this has anything to do with today's empty seats; but it appears on the ticketing website there's now more tickets for the gymnastics, haven't quite ventured into any of the other sports, the site keeps crashing
browsing now and there is loads that have suddenly appeared?
including the swimming for tomorrow
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
Gotta laugh/cry at the whole situation.

More tickets went on sale earlier, but the website crashed under the demand :facepalm:

Seems every session of the swimming today was supposedly a sell-out too, yet pictures of the numbers of empty seats are quite shocking. These pics are easy to find on the net. The situation is made even more deplorable, with Sky news reporting earlier that the family of one swimmer only just managed to secure tickets at the 11th hour to see their child at the Games. Maybe a once in a lifetime event for them. Yet all these corporate bigwigs have just thrown tickets at those who clearly don't care and haven't bothered showing up.

Well done lads. Brilliant organisation!!
 

Urien Rheged

Distinguished Member
I reckon many seats have been given to sponsers or bought by wealthy corporate companys. They then have simply not bothered to turn up. They should re-sell them or give them away if they dont turn up by a set deadline!
 

Heroik

Active Member
This is the problem with England's sport in general. Too much commercialism with sponsorship, which has gotten to ridiculous levels across all the major sports in this country. This is alongside charging or at least trying to charge ridiculous prices, which fortunately the public are not mugs for paying!

Absolute joke that the families of competitors cannot get tickets either or have stuggled to do so. Absolute joke! :mad::mad::mad:
 

shoemaker666

Distinguished Member
didnt we have similar thing at Wembley empty seats during internationals. why dont they keep the corporate tickets and only give them to the people when they show up. if they dont at least they have the tickets to then sell on
 

SanPedro

Well-known Member
Shocking numbers of empty seats at some of those venues. Considering the number of people who applied and were disappointed it seems scandalous But what can the organisers do? They won't know how many people will turn up till the actual event has started. Kinda chicken and egg situation.
 

hdsport

Well-known Member
This is the problem with England's sport in general. Too much commercialism with sponsorship, which has gotten to ridiculous levels across all the major sports in this country. This is alongside charging or at least trying to charge ridiculous prices, which fortunately the public are not mugs for paying!

I guess though when you are dealing with the IOC (or any major sporting organisation) you can only do so much. You either put up with these aspects or don't have the event at all.

I hope they can do what was mentioned about those with Park tickets and get them in to fill some seats.
 

loz

Distinguished Member
didnt we have similar thing at Wembley empty seats during internationals. why dont they keep the corporate tickets and only give them to the people when they show up. if they dont at least they have the tickets to then sell on

But how do you actually manage that?

Wait until 1 minute before kick off and then sell them on if not occupied?

What happens when the ticket holder then turns up 1 minute after kick off?

They could make a stipulation though that gates close 15 mins before kick off - a bit like boarding times for airplanes -

And then any unoccupied seats can be sold on to people in a 'wait list'.
 

Steven

Senior Moderator
Not difficult at all. Call it a 30 min or even 60 min cut-off point. Upon which they give away corporate tickets to the numerous non-ticket holders milling around the Olympic Park or outside venues. The tickets have been paid for, if they do not want to use them then at least putting bums on seats should be the priority
 

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