Electric cars

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Dancook, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. Dancook

    Dancook
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    15,146
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Ratings:
    +5,802
    I didn't start this in motoring because it's quite a broad subject and you don't need to be interested in cars to have an opinion on it.

    Recently I've been considering a new car, originally I thought Audi A1 (hybrid) - my partner likes the Renault Zoe. It's unlikely we will be buying either any time soon though!

    I looked at the Zoe, and saw the 100 mile distance already looking like a pain when we visit family 110 miles away. We're going to probably need the government to roll on electrical charging stations in a big way too.

    How does everyone else feel about electric cars, will you get one when certain conditions are met?
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2012
  2. kBm

    kBm
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2008
    Messages:
    8,360
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Location:
    North West
    Ratings:
    +2,128
    I'd get one - too early for me though. Charging stations being the major stumbling block. Surley the gov will find a way to cream back any lost revenue from the reduction of petrol use? Re-sell value - if i can't live with it, can i sell on? Will there be a market?
     
  3. Grangey.

    Grangey.
    Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2006
    Messages:
    5,756
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    136
    Location:
    Oxfordshire
    Ratings:
    +873
    This advert always made me laugh



    "you've always switched so much to electric, why not your car?"

    Where do I start?

    -Its a dead technology before it gets of the ground, batteries will need to be replaced something like every 10 years at an expodential cost and is not environmentally friendly to dispose of

    -Lack of charging points around the UK

    -Charging takes a lifetime, no good at all as an every day commuter

    -All the current ranges of cars are too busy trying to look all futuristic than actually being simplistic and appealing (Hybrids not as much)

    Its a crock as far as im concerned.

    If more work is done on Hydrogen cars than I think theyre the future, Electric will just turn into another "LPG" phase imo
     
  4. Berties

    Berties
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,385
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Ratings:
    +604
    If I had a driving license I wouldn't bother with electric car, cost of the car then time for recharging. And electricity isn't cheap, I have to wonder how it compares to efficient diesel car?

    Rather wait until hydrogen fuel cell becomes affordable
     
  5. Dancook

    Dancook
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    15,146
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Ratings:
    +5,802
    I've read this

    The quick charges don't sound so bad!

    I remember reading the Tesla Roadster's battery lasted six years and cost £6000 to replace!! Not sure about the newer 'affordable' cars coming up.
     
  6. SBanga

    SBanga
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2005
    Messages:
    2,026
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    86
    Location:
    Leeds, Yorksha
    Ratings:
    +7
    I'm pretty sure there's much better technology out there than the existing stuff. I wouldn't consider any of the electric/hybrid/alternative cars on sale.
     
  7. Dancook

    Dancook
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    15,146
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Ratings:
    +5,802
    Renault Zoe = 2.9p/mile

    RENAULT Zoe 60 kW/Li-ion - Next Green Car)


    88.6mpg Deisel = 7.3p/mile

    KIA Rio 1.1l CRDi Eco 85 - Next Green Car

    Looks like electric is a lot cheaper than the most economic deisels.
     
  8. Berties

    Berties
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,385
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Ratings:
    +604
    Those charge times can't be everytime though, if you do a quick charge everytime your cells will have a short life. I remember Fifth Gear had a north/south trip, taken in a electric car. Took 6 days, compared to 8 hours in a regular car.

    Electric is only worthwhile for local shopping trip, 2 miles either way so when you get home it doesn't take too long to top back up.
     
  9. mjcairney

    mjcairney
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2003
    Messages:
    7,185
    Products Owned:
    2
    Products Wanted:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    137
    Location:
    Airdrie, Scotland
    Ratings:
    +1,006
    I have to say that, unless and until someone develops a battery that can offer a range around 300 miles and a re-charge time of a few minutes at most (both extremely unlikely, if not impossible), then I cannot see battery powered cars ever coming to the mass market.

    As it is, best offer around 100 miles range and eight hours to fully re-charge. It will be possible to charge in half that time, but the battery life will also be halved and, as I believe battery replacement will cost around £7K, I can't see many people opting to go down that route.

    Cheers,

    Martin.
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2012
  10. Dancook

    Dancook
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    15,146
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Ratings:
    +5,802
    What about a 25 mile round trip commute every day? I could easily do that in an electric and charge it over night.

    Obviously some people are on the road too much for it be possible - perhaps having multiple batteries helps here - I don't know.
     
  11. paulyoung666

    paulyoung666
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2006
    Messages:
    13,502
    Products Owned:
    1
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Location:
    Teesside
    Ratings:
    +3,839
    As much as I like TG they play silly comparison games like that too often...
     
  12. Dancook

    Dancook
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    15,146
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Ratings:
    +5,802
    Tesla do a 85KWH battery that they quote does 300 miles (at 55mph), but I don't expect recharge times anything like minutes :)

    You can get a high power home charger that will do

    Tesla aren't cheap though :)
     
  13. Berties

    Berties
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,385
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Ratings:
    +604
    What if you do alternative shift? Late one night, early the next? That means battery won't be fully charged.

    Not possible they weigh 1 tonne, and buying a second set is out of the question, so unless you have another £10,000 spare to buy a second set and a pallet truck (plus time to reconnect up) Not possible.
     
  14. Berties

    Berties
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,385
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Ratings:
    +604
    My point is many people do round trips, ie mate went up to Scotland, came back down. Back in the office, said need you in Devon tonight.

    How could you do that in an electric car?
     
  15. ldoodle

    ldoodle
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2005
    Messages:
    6,550
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    136
    Ratings:
    +1,017
    Not them, but the oil companies as well!

    I saw a conspiracy theory programme a while ago and on it was electric cars. Apparantly someone came up with serious plans in the 50s but the oil companies caught wind and bought off his plans.

    We will not see electric cars as the norm until all the world's oil has dried up. The oil companies have too much power to just stand by and let anyone effectively render them surplus.
     
  16. Dancook

    Dancook
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    15,146
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Ratings:
    +5,802
    Personally I don't do shift work - and even if I did I would be fine with a quick charge for the distance I travel.

    We are debating pro's and con's - I understand it won't be for every body - and it's good to hear why it doesn't work for some people.

    The quick swap must be something else then - a service where they swap your battery.. which means what? perhaps you don't own your battery :)
     
  17. Adcook

    Adcook
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2007
    Messages:
    4,467
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    136
    Location:
    Wokingham
    Ratings:
    +1,404
    per mile an electric car is cheaper but over the average ownership period of say three years Id say there wouldnt be much between an electric and a small economical petrol or deisel. The high purchase price and depreciation of electric cars would be the reason. That is also assuming a daily drive into the London congestion charge zone other wise the normal car would come out on top.

    Electric motor driven vehicles I beleive are the furture but batteries for storage (alone at least) arent. I think a combo of hydrogen fuel cell and battery that can be charged using off peak electriciy are the way it should be heading. The cost of the fuel cell is not the issue (the price of these will fall with bulk manufacturing) its the safe (and to a lesser extent economical) storage and delivery of hydrogen both on forecourts and in vehicles that is the issue
     
  18. Dancook

    Dancook
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    15,146
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Ratings:
    +5,802
    Obviously you don't then, this person won't find an electric car suitable for their needs - so they won't buy one.
     
  19. Grangey.

    Grangey.
    Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2006
    Messages:
    5,756
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    136
    Location:
    Oxfordshire
    Ratings:
    +873
    this is half the point though.

    Are you really going to buy this car and ONLY use it for work?

    What happens when you want to go drive to a mates in the evening, or go to your local supermarket?

    Oh theres a really cheap showing of the latest blockbuster in the cinema tonight its only £1- oh wait we cant go because your cars left charging?

    Im sure if you really thought about it that 8 hour charge time would drastically limit your life and usage of the car and doesnt that sort of defy the point of having ac ar- the associated freedom it provides?
     
  20. Dancook

    Dancook
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    15,146
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Ratings:
    +5,802
    Well if I were to do an 8 hour charge time, I could do it midnight - 8am.

    If that gave me 100 mile charge, that would be plenty to go to work and back and extra-curricular activities. Supermarket is 2 miles away.

    The zoe does 37miles on a 30 minute charge if needed.

    So yes there are limits - but it's not as bad as you make out.

    However - I wouldn't want a car capable of only 100 miles on a max charge :)
     
  21. paulyoung666

    paulyoung666
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2006
    Messages:
    13,502
    Products Owned:
    1
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Location:
    Teesside
    Ratings:
    +3,839
    That's not what they are for though is it ...
     
  22. Berties

    Berties
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,385
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Ratings:
    +604
    That means you have to have two cars. :rolleyes:
     
  23. Berties

    Berties
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,385
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Ratings:
    +604
    If everyone charges their batteries up at night, then I can see the end of the cheaper night tariff.
     
  24. Dancook

    Dancook
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    15,146
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Ratings:
    +5,802
    Why do you think you have to have 2 cars?

    People who choose electric cars will know whether it fits in with their life style. They may choose to get the train for long journeys and use the electric car for 99% of their other stuff.

    People who know they will need a car for long journey's will not buy an electric car - they will continue to use a petrol/diesel.
     
  25. Berties

    Berties
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,385
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Ratings:
    +604
    Because someone might need to do a longer trip even though they bought the electric car because they work locally, shop locally.. but might need to do 100 miles trip way with a 2 hour break.

    So you'll need to rent a car, or f you're going with public transport why do you have a car? And they're not cheap nor convenient.
     
  26. p9ul

    p9ul
    Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2004
    Messages:
    8,782
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    136
    Ratings:
    +765
    If you have solar panels on your roof for home use, can it also be used to charge the car up?
     
  27. Adcook

    Adcook
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2007
    Messages:
    4,467
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    136
    Location:
    Wokingham
    Ratings:
    +1,404
    True but aleast the useage would be relatively constant and easy to predict, part of why electricity is more costly during the day is because the national grid has to maintain a sufficiently high generation level to cover a complicated and often difficult to predict consumption level therefore often there is a fair bit of waste which we all have to pay for. Maybe the price differential wouldnt be as remarkable but I think it will still be there.
     
  28. Berties

    Berties
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,385
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Ratings:
    +604
    Wouldn't be too bad if we had 2 suns 24 hour daylight ;)
     
  29. Dancook

    Dancook
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Messages:
    15,146
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Ratings:
    +5,802
    In the last few years the only times an electric car would not have been suitable is that bi-monthly visit to family.

    Unless I can overcome this, I know an electric car would not be suitable for me.

    I'm sure many people know if an electric car is a suitable purchase for their lifestyle.

    If this long distance trip was imposed on you by the company you work for - then you'd be aware of this possibility and know how it might be solved. Company car, car hired by company? Some people I work with don't even drive, if they were asked to go on a long distance trip - then it's the same thing, they can't.
     
  30. Berties

    Berties
    Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,385
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    133
    Ratings:
    +604
    Then they wouldn't be employed. Many places do not supply company car (just pay milage) so if you had a electric car I can see them starting moaning at you when they need you to go up north..
     

Share This Page

Loading...
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice