Question Elac Sub Upgrade

Eddie Twadds

Active Member
I am currently running Q Acoustics 2010i for front and rear and 2000c for centre with an old Elac 101 ESP Sub (8" down firing 55w RMS, 80W peak, down to 35hz). These are powered by a Pioneer VSX 527. Room is 22 x 12 ft.

I want a little more sub oomph and have £200 to play with (2nd hand seems best value). I don't want earth shattering, bowel emptying bass just a good, solid upgrade. Auto on/off would be preferred. The Elac has been OK but can't help thinking that there are some decent and inexpensively priced upgrade options via Ebay, Gumtree etc.

FWIW I saw this at a decent reduction Wharfedale Diamond SW-150 Blackwood Subwoofer - Subwoofers - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Recommendations welcomed.

Ta
Martin
 

MaryWhitehouse

Well-known Member
I’d recommend that sub for the money and the service from that retailer. I got lucky with a graded one and it turned up two days later unmarked! Very happy with its quality and sound for the price.
 

Gasp3621

Distinguished Member
I am currently running Q Acoustics 2010i for front and rear and 2000c for centre with an old Elac 101 ESP Sub (8" down firing 55w RMS, 80W peak, down to 35hz). These are powered by a Pioneer VSX 527. Room is 22 x 12 ft.

I want a little more sub oomph and have £200 to play with (2nd hand seems best value). I don't want earth shattering, bowel emptying bass just a good, solid upgrade. Auto on/off would be preferred. The Elac has been OK but can't help thinking that there are some decent and inexpensively priced upgrade options via Ebay, Gumtree etc.

FWIW I saw this at a decent reduction Wharfedale Diamond SW-150 Blackwood Subwoofer - Subwoofers - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Recommendations welcomed.

Ta
Martin

There is not many options with such low budget. KLH Windsor 12 could be shaking the couch when needed with in-room response down to 20hz, should be ideal for movies. You could contact the dealer if open box item comes up. @WozzaB got one of these for friend while ago and they are happy. :)

Normally 299£ which is still very low price, as other dealer sells it for 699€ for EU customers.

You have nearly 25sqm room so i think this calibre subwoofer should be minium and should be quite noticeable upgrade from tiny Elac.
 

MaryWhitehouse

Well-known Member
There is not many options with such low budget. KLH Windsor 12 could be shaking the couch when needed with in-room response down to 20hz, should be ideal for movies. You could contact the dealer if open box item comes up. @WozzaB got one of these for friend while ago and they are happy. :)

Normally 299£ which is still very low price, as other dealer sells it for 699€ for EU customers.

You have nearly 25sqm room so i think this calibre subwoofer should be minium and should be quite noticeable upgrade from tiny Elac.

Not in budget or stock.
 

Conrad

Moderator
Reach out to @AmericanAudio and see what they can do regarding the KH subs. They might still be feeling the Christmas spirit.
 

Gasp3621

Distinguished Member
Reach out to @AmericanAudio and see what they can do regarding the KH subs. They might still be feeling the Christmas spirit.

Definitely! You commented these earlier as the specs weren´t that special. AVSForum Mark H. had pair of these and was positively suprised, he did push the KLH 7.2.4 system up to reference levels. They do cost lot more in US and if you think about what you get for 240£ in UK, it´s often some small sub like BK Gemini II (10") which is bit too "polite" for action/scifi stuff. Speaking from experience..


The Windsor 12 ($599) is a 12" ported powered sub. It's rated at 200 watts with 400 watt peaks. KLH lists frequency response as 30 Hz to 160 Hz. Post EQ, Audyssey reports flat response out to 20 Hz, which meets IMAX Enhanced requirements. Without EQ, the in-room response is only down by about 5 or 6 dB at 20 Hz. Feature-wise, you get controls for gain, low-pass, phase adjustment and auto power on/off.

The dual 12" Windsor subs offered a nice "kick" and produced clean bass, but are not capable of infrasonic extension. This is not a huge surprise, 12" ported subs in cabinets this size are typically not designed to play below 20 Hz. Post-EQ the Windsor subs played right down to 20 Hz (in-room) and offered plenty of output for my needs.
 

sm1ggsy

Active Member
12 if you can
 

WozzaB

Well-known Member
There is not many options with such low budget. KLH Windsor 12 could be shaking the couch when needed with in-room response down to 20hz, should be ideal for movies. You could contact the dealer if open box item comes up. @WozzaB got one of these for friend while ago and they are happy. :)

Normally 299£ which is still very low price, as other dealer sells it for 699€ for EU customers.

You have nearly 25sqm room so i think this calibre subwoofer should be minium and should be quite noticeable upgrade from tiny Elac.
As Gasp said, I ordered a KLH Windsor 12" for the brother-in-law as he had a similar budget to you @Eddie Twadds, I haven't heard it myself yet, but he's very happy with it so far, it's very close to the sofa and he said he can feel the bass through the seat, so seems to have decent output for the price!
 

Eddie Twadds

Active Member
Thanks all. Just won a MJ Acoustics 100 Mk ii on Fleabay. Collection tomorrow. I'll see how that pans out. If not what I want then then will relook at the KLH.
 

Eddie Twadds

Active Member
For my needs it's fine. It goes low enough and is very responsive. Mildly annoying that you have to power it up each time but it does have a little remote control. Runs out of puff when really pushed and you can tell it's struggling as it's sealed unit but for me it's fine. Solid 7/10. Overall it's a mahoosive uplift from the Elac Cinema 1.
 

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