Editing issues

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  1. Rebecca

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    I would like to know if these editing issues are normal or not:

    1) When I want to delete commercials, I first pause the movie, select the frame where the commercial starts and insert a chapter mark. However, the hidden piece does not start at the frame I chose, but 1 to 6 frames before it. Does this mean that editing points does not have "frame precision"?

    2) When I play black the movie, it freezes a little at the edited points (??).

    Also, do +R and -R machines behave in the same way on these issues, or are there any differences?

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  2. tabatha

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    The accuracy/pause varies depends on the machine you are using and the mode the recording is made in.

    What machine are you using?
     
  3. Rebecca

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    Philips HDRW720
     
  4. tabatha

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    Sorry - I don't have one of those - but I'm sure someone else on this forum can help.

    I think you will find that most machines will "hiccup" with a slight pause when skipping a deleted section. Many people edit their DVD-RAM/DVDR on a PC, re-write the disc or make a new one and then use the resultant disc on their DVD/TV setup. This is the way I usually do it although I often actually record the program direct into the PC as an MPEG2 compliant file, edit it and then write a disc to use with my DVD/TV setup.
     
  5. fusioncold

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    tabatha: what pc software do you use for editing and what sort of pc hardware do you have (processor/ram/specialist stuff)?

    ...if you don't mind me asking :)
     
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    When doing simple editing (removing adverts) I use a programme called MPEG-VCR from a company called Womble (www.womble.com). It is very easy to use but does not incorporate "writer" software. I sometimes use TMPGENC which has a writer built in.

    I capture using a Canopus DVStorm2 card that captures directly in MPEG2 or DV format. The PC is a 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 with 1Gbyte of RAM and 2750 Gigabytes of Hard Disc storage on multiple EIDE raid drives. It is far more powerful than necessary for simple DVD editing but it is also used for complex editing/titling of DV and the speed/memory means that rendering time is kept to a minimum. For more complex editing, I use the Canopus Edius software which can edit both DV and MPEG files. Again, this software is much more powerful than you need for simple advert removal. I used to use Adobe Premiere but now prefer Edius.
     
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    On the Philips machine that is entirely normal - which is one of the core reasons why they are not recommended! Every other machine uses VR mode - a file format that takes into account the limitations of MPEG2 and allows accurate editting. However, unlike Sony, Philips were not prepared to invest in the R&D to get VR mode working with DVD+ and thus you effectively get a HDD recording in modified DVD-Video mode. Thus you have all the limitations of +VR which, on a HDD/DVD combo, is c***.
     
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    Interesting ......
    In your opinion, which would be the machine with the highest precision on editing?

    Kisses.
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  9. tabatha

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    I have found the Panasonics to be the easiest to use in all respects. I remember the first time I made a recording of a TV programme and discovered that it had automatically given the correct name to the programme - something I miss on other machines. I don't know where it gets the information from - perhaps PDC - It's a great feature that I had not read about in the docs before I bought the machine.
     
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    When I have used my Panasonic E50 for editing to -r discs I have found it pretty accurate. A neat touch is that it fades the sound in and out (very fast less than a second) I presume to make this a more professional edit. :)
     
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    tabatha, thanks for the info.

    I wondered if any additional editing hardware was needed for ad removal using womble/TMPGEnc, but it seems to be down to the processor/hard disk compbination more than anything else.

    thanks again
     
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    Panasonic's are good IMHO - they remain my personnel machine of choice for editting/ad removal.
     

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