Trollslayer
Distinguished Member
The funeral should be privatised
I saw this and you know, given various things that went on it's not such a bad idea.
I saw this and you know, given various things that went on it's not such a bad idea.
Reasons for a state funeral are here:
Margaret Thatcher will deserve a state funeral – even if it upsets her critics – Telegraph Blogs
I dont see anything exceptionaL about Thatcher though apart from odious.If she gets one then i think the likes of Skinner do as wellIt's just talk. Gordon Brown was pushing for it when he was PM for some reason.
The last ex-PM to have one was Winston Churchill in 1965, but he was rather exceptional, I'm sure everyone will agree.
I dont see anything exceptionaL about Thatcher though apart from odious.If she gets one then i think the likes of Skinner do as well
The difference is Thatcher led her party to repeated electoral success for a decade. Skinner just spent a lifetime failing to achieve.I dont see anything exceptionaL about Thatcher though apart from odious.If she gets one then i think the likes of Skinner do as well
The difference is Thatcher led her party to repeated electoral success for a decade. Skinner just spent a lifetime failing to achieve.
The difference is Thatcher led her party to repeated electoral success for a decade. Skinner just spent a lifetime failing to achieve.
GAZBEROTTEN said:Face facts the tories haven't a clue
Mods, can we set up a 'Cartoons' forum for Gaz - I think he is probably better prepared to post on that topic, rather than politics or economics.
Sidicks
Who ordered the sinking of the Belgrano?
He was Prime Minister for a long time - he has to be a candidate for one.As did Blair. Is anyone suggesting he should get state funeral as well?
But he is a political failure. I have no doubt that some on the left hold him up as someone who shares their ideals - but it misses the point that those ideas have been kept in the wilderness for decades because of the failure of people like Skinner.Skinner achieved consistent electoral success and has been over the years one of the most conscientious back benchers in HOC where he is also one of the most respected because of his undoubted honesty.
He was Prime Minister for a long time - he has to be a candidate for one.
But he is a political failure. I have no doubt that some on the left hold him up as someone who shares their ideals - but it misses the point that those ideas have been kept in the wilderness for decades because of the failure of people like Skinner.
of course he isnt a political failureHe was Prime Minister for a long time - he has to be a candidate for one.
But he is a political failure. I have no doubt that some on the left hold him up as someone who shares their ideals - but it misses the point that those ideas have been kept in the wilderness for decades because of the failure of people like Skinner.
You are confusing concepts. Of course we can respect Skinner for his beliefs (however misguided) but this is a world apart from being effective. GAZBEROTTEN inadvertently made the point - whether you agreed with them or not Thatcher made key, life/country changing decisions. The hatred for her by some on the left is acknowledgement of that success. By contrast Skinner has achieved nothing other than being a political minority even in his own party. He failed to achieve even a portion of the change he entered politics to achieve. For that he should die in obscurity.of course he isnt a political failure.If he was he would not have be reelected so many times.The fact he never made the front benches doesnt make him a failure. He was an effective backbencher who always represented his constituency with great fervour and whose honesty and candourh was held in high regard across the house.Even Thatcher respected him
You are confusing concepts. Of course we can respect Skinner for his beliefs (however misguided) but this is a world apart from being effective. GAZBEROTTEN inadvertently made the point - whether you agreed with them or not Thatcher made key, life/country changing decisions. The hatred for her by some on the left is acknowledgement of that success. By contrast Skinner has achieved nothing other than being a political minority even in his own party. He failed to achieve even a portion of the change he entered politics to achieve. For that he should die in obscurity.
Skinner achieved nothing. Can you name a single piece of legislation he has sponsored and pushed through?
His electoral success was purely based on being in a safe constituency. You could have put a red rosette on a pig in his constituency, and it would have won.
He may be a man of principles and integrity, I don't think anyone is disputing that. But he was a minority in his own party, failing to even get his own party on side let alone the rest of the country.