Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by Messiah, Apr 2, 2003.
Anything available yet or what is on the horizon?
Yes, there is the Samsung DVD-HD931 with Faroudja DCDi and DVD-Audio. This player will supposedly upconvert an NTSC 480 progressive signal to output a 720p or 1080i signal from the DVI-HDCP output. It will be available from June in the US at a reasonable $350.
Linn Unidisk. SHipping end of this month I believe....ALOT more than $350....No Sage chip...but bet it's still better!
Thanks guys. Would be happy to go with the Samsung as for that (little) money it's gotta be worth a try.
Don't the americans seem to have the best toys...
I predict 2004 will be the year for DVI players.
Me thinks I may order one if I still have the TW100
Remember that you MUST have HDCP enabled DVI inputs on your displays.
I'm not sure about the DVI thing myself. Mainly as you end up being limited in the de-interlacing dept by the DVD player. Ideal would be SDI out but that's not going to happen so it's going to be interesting to see how this all pans out....
Momitsu 880 (Sigma 8500 based) - ~230$
Bravo D1 (Sigma 8500 based) - ~ 200$
Marantz 8300 - ( with Faroudjia) - ???
Philips Q75 - (with Faroudjia) - ???
Sorry to jump in, but I'm also looking forward to DVI-D equipped DVD players.
Gordon, how does a DVI interface limit the de-interlacing options to the player only? Surely it depends on where the interface driver IC is placed in the signal chain. I accept that the vast majority of manufacturers are thicker than two short planks in this regard and will put the panel interface down stream from the de-interlacer, but it is possible to insert the interface between the de-interlacer and the MPEG decoder. Surely then it would work just as well, if not better than, SDI?
Okay, did some research.
What I was proposing would work, but the only thing that could accept the output from an interlaced player would be a specially designed off-board de-interlacer, unless you like your pictures with black lines between them.
The DVI interface DOESN'T support as low a bandwidth as 480i or 576i. So anything going down DVI must be at least 480P. Hence it has to be de-interlaced inside DVD first
It doesn't properly support 480i, as in you won't get a picture you can display from an interlaced source, but theres nothing in the VESA spec that stops it from working.
You're right though, SDI into something like an HD-Leeza or Key Digital PioMXE is the way to go with DVD playback. How much is the Leeza BTW? I see this and the Tag PSM+Scaler as being direct competitors.
Do you have any further info on the proposed Key Digital SDI-DVI adapter that you mentioned a while back?
No news on their SDI to DVI adaptor.
There's a report of a user demo on Topica that says that the DVI port is not enabled on the Linn Unidisk.
I hope they connected it up to an HDCP compliant display, either wise that news is worthless.
Apparently in the manual it says "the DVI port is not currently enabled".
Oh well, guess we'll have to wait for the firmware upgrade.
SS have a Unidisk.......I hope to pop over and see it some time soon.
I'm waiting for DV-30 from Teac !
Any ideas when it is due out and how much?
A DVD without a SCART won't be popular in Europe!
"A DVD without a SCART won't be popular in Europe!"
Unless you use a Plasma or projector.
To be honest, I don't think even a 32" w/s tv will realise the potential of a lot of these high end players.
when i said it won't be popular i intended: they won't sell lot's of dvd players as they would if they put a SCART in it!
maybe 90% os dvd owners use a SCART to connect to TV...
Plasmas and projectors are not the majoraty...
I'm buying a projector but still i have a tv and intend to use it!
"they won't sell lot's of dvd players as they would if they put a SCART in it!"
Actualy you're probably right, even more so if it gets good reviews.
Some of thje players I'd be interested in don't have component, and as I need it for my pj, means it's off my list of players to consider. Oh well...
Remind me guys - is the DVI input on a Pioneer 433 plasma HDCP compliant? I think not unless you have the new KD card installed?
You're right, the standard PDA-5002 card isn't HDCP compliant. You would need the KD card or one of the 2 new ones from Aurora. See www.auroramultimedia.com for details.
Seems my options are narrowing to one of the following - the KD card, the TVP-1000+ or the A303-HDCP (which looks to be seriously short of inputs).
So any views guys on the best route to take, and how much better would a DVI DVD player like the Teac be compared to my Denon 3800 connected via component? I have a sneaky feeling the scaling will produce the main benefit - all digital feed via DVI being better but maybe not much than analogue component.
Is there anywhere I can see these things working? Gordon or one of your dealers - will there be demos of the KD card when it arrives? £1700 is a lot to splash out before knowing it will deliver real improvements.
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