Hi Now that dual layer DVD recorders are appearing, although media is somewhat scarce and expensive, it'll be interesting to see who is first off the block with a dual layer set top DVD recorder. I think at the moment only +R/+RW drives have dual layer capability so it's a fair guess that Philips will probably be first to market but you never know. One other point which I don't really understand and wonder if anyone can shed light on, is why Pioneer and other companies produce +R/-R PC DVD recorders but their set top DVD recorders only allow -R recording. You would think they would allow writing using the different DVD standards, after all it's a fair bet that the drives they use in the DVD recorders are very similar to their PC drives i.e. A06, A07 unless they are using older technology such as the A05 drive.