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DVD recorders: whats out tehre and how much

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by nunew33, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. nunew33

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    What DVD recorder are currently available in the UK and what are the cheapest prices? All media types (RAM, +RW and -RW)

    I know this info is available on the web. But we will all have a little bit of knowledge and this will be the quickest way to get it in one place.

    After looking for a hish spec £200 VCR and not finding one less than £300 Im being pushed in this direction!!!!!
     
  2. nunew33

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    PRC Panasonic DMRE30 459
    Currys Panasonic DMRE20 499.9
    PRC Pioneer DVR7000 989
    Unbeatable Phillips DVDR880 399;.99
    Robert Whyte Phillips DVDR890 465
    Great Electrics Phillips DVDR 980 466.99
    Unbeatable Samsung DVDR3000 818.96
    Unbeatable Panasonic DMRHS2 844.96

    AVLand SONY RDR-A1 DVD-R/DVD-RW Yes 4.7GB 6 Hours Gold 1 RDR A1 No price
    ???? JVC ????
    ????? Sharp ????

    Can anyone beat that currys price, I cant believe they will be the cheapest. Im more interested in DVD RAM as thats what my PC uses are there any contenders otehr than the samsung and panasonics?
     
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    If you do end up getting a DVD-RAM Recorder and you have the ability to read DVD-RAMs and write to DVD-Rs on your PC then you can use TMPG Encoder and Spruceup (or any other authoring tools) to convert DVD-RAM recordings to fully authored DVD Videos.

    Just copy the .VRO file to your HDD, rename it .MPG and use the MPEG tools in TMPG Encoder to run a Simple Demultiplex on it (which gives you the video and audio streams). Then load it into Spruceup and author the title!
     
  4. nunew33

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    Theres the rub. Being an early adoptor I have a DVD RAM (LFP Panny 201 I think) on my PC that predates teh latest batch that provide DVD-R.

    Looking at whats available Im trying to figure out what the best upgrade path is. Either to get an upto date DVD RAM for the PC (eg Panny LFD311 for £360) and a cheap(sub £500) DVD RAM recorder (E20 or E30). Thus enabling me to transfer DVD RAM to PC manipulate it then burn a DVD on the PC. This allows me to spruce up recordings and make DVDRs out of home movies. This could be the best option as I could at least sell my DVD RAM on ebay and subsidise the upgrade a little bit


    Or to wait until a product like the HS2 comes down in price. This gives me what I want in one box without fiddling with the PCbut involves lots of DVDRAM->PC->DVDRAM->DVDR-HD->DVD-R style transfers and I dont even know if it that flexible to do disk copies of files that may not be to its own standard. Seems more of a hassle but at least I get a HD and DVD recorder in one.

    But there isnt enough info out there to make any decisions web site data is extremely poor. Panasonic seem to refer to the HS2 in japan where they dont have an english version of the site!!!!
     
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    You can contact Panny's people on 01344 862444 to discuss if the DVD Recorders will match your requirements.

    I can tell you all DVD-RAM recordings made by all the DVD-RAM Recorders (including camcorders) conform to the DVD-RAM standard which uses a .VRO format - this is essentially a .M2V and .AC3 file stuck together which is why the file name can simply be changed to .MPG so programmes such as TMPG Encoder can recognise it. Therefore editing on the PC is a doddle. You may find however the editting facilities on the DMRE20/30 etc prove to be perfectly adequate - I only use my PC for designing menus and assigning chapter points for the DVD-Rs - although there are certainly much more powerful editing tools on a PC.

    Just a warning - if you go this route standby to loose alot of your life! I used to archive my recordings onto SVHS carefully cutting out the advert breaks etc and pop them on my shelf - a fairly short process. Now I find myself obliged to design multiple menus, sub menus, DVD covers etc before I am happy with it. I have spent hours on it all :)
     
  6. nunew33

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    Is there a quick and easy way with a DMR E20 to edit a DVD RAM on the PC and then burn a DVD-R (ie link the PC to the recorder) or am I forced to either upgrade the PC and go for a DVD RAM/R writer.

    Or maybe I should simply upgrade the PC to DVD+RW and go for a phillips.

    I think someone needs to start authoring a dedictaed What DVDR magazine!!!

    I like the look of teh HS2 but anything £600 + smacks of early adopter premium and I will only kick myself when the HS4 comes out at £99.99 xmas 2003!!!!
     
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    DVD-RAMs can be easily edited yes - you copy the file across rename it .MPG and then you can run it through TMPG Encoder to turn it into a format you can edit easily - so that's no problem.

    The only way to get 'authored' menus would be to upgrade to a DVD-RAM/R drive. This is also the only solution that allows you to copy without re-encoding via anologue (which would mean loss of quality). If your happy to re-encode (the reduced quality is still far superior to SVHS) and you have TV OUT ability you could then play your disk on your PC and record it on DVD-R on your standalone recorder. You will just get the default DMRE20/30 menus though on your DVD-Rs.
     
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    I got mine from Lektropacks - it was just under £600 (I think).

    It does VCD & SVCD, it's NTSC & PAL and even does CD Audio.

    Watch out for the Karaoke function tho - once the kids found it my life was hell, luckily the novelty wore off pretty quickly! :)

    the site address is www.lektropacks.co.uk
     
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    I can already burn VCDs and SVCDs on the PC and if I could be bothered could use the PC as a PVR. But the PC is in the office and the TV is in the "Cinema" room. At £600 Id rather get a DVD recorder and transfer the media to the PC if I wanted to create permanant VCDs and SVCDs copies of anything, althought why id want to do this if I had a DVD recorder.

    I think you can safely assume Im not in the market for a VCD recorder

    by the way it says this about the vdr
    "A WORD ABOUT VCD RECORDING QUALITY
    The quality of copies made using the VDR Video Disc Recorder is NOT DVD quality - at best - depending on your source material - you will get up to S-Video quality. Also, if your source recording is of a poor quality, the VDR will record it - warts and all and will NOT improve it! The advantage of the VDR is it records on digital discs which cost from only 30p each and, unlike tapes, video disc recordings won't deteriorate after repeated playback. "

    S-Video quality???? Thats a connection method not a quality standard!!!!! I assume it means SVHS
     
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    Hi guys,

    Some interesting stuff.

    In Australia The Philips DVDR890 supports NTSC & PAL progressive scan.

    see this link
    http://www.dvdplaza.com.au/pressreleases/?index=401

    The recommended price is $1999 so it is more expensive there but the interesting question is if anyone knows if the UK or European version supports PS or have they removed the feature?

    Also, does anyone know if say someone would bring one over here, can it record UK TV programmes?
     
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    I just bought a DMR-E30 from EmpireDirect and my major concern was editing when using DVD-R media (45p a disc).

    I wanted to know if I could pause a DVD-R while it's recording so I could remove adverts when I played the program from SKY+.

    The answer is you can, which removes most of the "create DVD-RAM, copy to PC re-edit, burn DVD-R cycle".

    Not only that you can record 6 episodes of "say" Black Adder. Record each one in turn to the same DVD-R, pause when adds come on, stop the recording at the end of each episode and enter a Title "Episode whatever". You then restart the tape and recorder, record the next episode and repeat. When you finalise the disk at end the machine will create a DVD menu with 6 buttons with your titles on.

    My main concern at the moment is recording certain sources and copy protection the E30 is very fussy. Recording XMen from a previous VHS recording from Sky is a no-go. Copying old commercial/retail tapes (old music concerts for the 80's not availble on DVD) seems OK at the moment. Other VHS tapes though are also a no-go 'cos of Macrovision.

    I see techtronics are now seeling the E30 for £356 + VAT, and yes I paid more than that!

    Cliff
     
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    Err, that sounds like a VCD recorder NOT a DVD Recorder.

    600 quid ouch!!!!
     
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    What's the picture quality like?

    Do you get 3 hours of original DVD (i.e. a bought movie) on a DVD-R??

    I'm tempted by that philips one at 399.
     
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    Littlewoods Home Shopping catalogue are advertising the Philips DVDR-880 for £550.00. Received mine today, and lo and behold it is the much more expensive DVDR-980.

    A bargain me thinks.
     
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    you can buy a Philips dvdr980 @ Currys Web Exclusive
    for £399.99 - not bad as jungle.com want £699.00 + £9.99 to deliver:)
     
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    Well I took the plunge and ordered the Panasonic DMR-E30 on Monday from Electrical Discount and what service! They called me half an hour after order to tell me it was in stock and lo and behold it arrived yesterday!
    After some messing around to connect the unit to my existing setup and run auto tune I was away!
    In fact I had the chance last night to test the most important feature for me on this beauty..the Time Slip function..as my wife wanted to watch Holby and I wanted the Man U game. So in went a DVD-RAM and at 8pm on went record for the football...after Holby finished I pressed play and there was the footy from 10 minutes in..excellent quality picture..and the player still recording the end of the match... and so quiet in operation....
    I could fast forward while recording and jump (time slip) by minute increments forward say 3 mins to miss the adverts!
    This is like leading edge for me and I work in the IT industry!
    I also tested the VBR function and used it to record the Frank Skiner show as I only had 1/4 hour left in normal SP mode so used this to put the 1/2 hour show into 1/4 hour and this worked faultlessly as well although the quality was on par with VCR LP.
    So yes, I am well glad I took the plunge and although I still have my noisy, old technology, linear , poor picture, year old VCR connected in it will be gathering dust and only used to play my existing pre-recorded videos you can count on that.
    P.S. The DMR E30 comes with two DVD-RAM's free as standard so take this into account when choosing who to buy from as some advertise this making it look like a bonus. Mine was the cheapest at £439 but now I see Empire have it for £429 so if you wait it will come down but you are missing out on a great piece of kit until you do!
     
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    I agree I love my e 30and if it went under a buss id pawn my grandmother to get one (no not granny porn you perverts)
     

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