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DVD-RAM: cartridge or not ?

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by Mar©, Nov 3, 2004.

  1. Mar©

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    I have no experience at all with DVD-RAM...
    ( and yesterday ordered my new Panny ! :D )

    Can someone give me a little bit advise: what is recommended ?
    DVD-RAM's with or without cartridge ?


    Can you open a DVD-RAM with cartridge, or do I need a special cartridge to place "naked" DVD-RAMS's in ? ( a kind of "holder" )
     
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    Obviously if they are contained within the cartridge, they are better protected from damage, fingerprints, scratches or any other problems.

    Yes they can be removed fron the cartridges if you need to.

    I recently bought a Panasonic S47 video player on the understanding that it played RAM cartridges, I phoned Panasonic and asked if it would, I was told Yes!!!!.

    Guess what...................it doesn't, it only plays non cartridge RAM. It's a wonderful player, but I'm furious about the misinformation, I have quite a lot of RAM in cartridges.
     
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    When I was looking for a DVD player with the ability to play RAM in its caddy,for use upstairs, I ended up buying a second DVD Recorder (E55).

    With the addition of a Freeview box providing widescreen pics we now rarely miss out on recordings.
     
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    The only problem with those in the cartridge is the fact that you have to open them to put the disc into a PC with a suitable drive. Some of the cartridges are difficult to open.
     
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    If you're not going to edit the disc on a PC then cartridges are better because the disc is less likely to get damaged.

    Only a few PC DVD drives can take cartridges.

    Regards

    Nelviticus
     
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    Just to back up what the other guys have already said: a good general rule is if you want to use your DVD-RAMs in other devices, i.e. DVD-ROMs, DVD players etc then use non-caddied disks - but branded ones from the likes of Panasonic, Maxell and TDK that are covered with a protective coating. If you just watch and wipe on the recorder use caddied DVD-RAM.

    There are currently no DVD players that accept caddies (other than the DVD recorders) and there are unlikely to ever be any (given the dominance of caddyless disks).
     
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    Thanks all for your help ! Very nice and friendly forum ! :smashin:

    I am intend to use my DVD-RAM only in my DVD-recorder and nowhere else.

    I was thinking to buy a couple of DVD-RAMS's ( maybe 5 or so... ); because most of the time I think, I will use the harddisk.

    Last question:

    Can a use a 9.4 GB DVD-RAM in one time ?
    I mean : is it really 9.4 GB non-stop or is it two times 4.7 GB ???

    And in the case it is 2 times 4.7 GB, do you have to "turn" the DVD-RAM ?
    ( Like the good old vinyl LP's ???) Maybe (again :D ) a stipid question???


    If everything turns out well, I wil have my recorder this saturday. :)
     
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    yes you do have to turn the larger size DVD-RAM over, so it's not all usable in one unattended recording.
     
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    I would hang fire on ordering RAM discs if I was you. I don't know which Panny you've gone for, but I've had an E85 for about 6 months now and I've never needed to use RAM - there's plenty of space on the hard drive.

    Put it this way - if you have 34 hrs worth of telly to watch on your hard drive, you've got problems!
     
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    The men in white coats are on their way to me right now. :laugh:
     
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    If the original poster has a HDD/DVDR combo (E85/E95/E500/E100) then I fully agree. If your not into PC authoring or watching on other players then the only time you'll really use DVD-RAM disks is as a HDD extension, i.e. storage before dubbing an entire series to DVD. Buy one or two as required.

    If you have a standalone (e.g. E55/E65) then buy as many as you think you need. A popular use seems to be to have one DVD-RAM for each day of the week and use that to record the evenings viewing (and watch using Timeslip).
     
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    That reminds me of something I used to do before I had a DVD recorder with an HDD. When my E20 was my main recorder, I often reserved particular DVD RAM discs for specific serials. I usually tried to watch the ‘current’ week’s episode before the next one came out. But I often fell a week or so behind. So I regularly found myself using Timeslip to watch an earlier episode of something while recording the current week’s episode at the same time. Therefore I could keep using the same disc ad infinitum. Now I’ve got an HDD I often fall behind by a whole series :laugh:
     
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    So is there any chance of losing stored recordings on the HDD/DVR if the machine crashes? If so then I will transfer some of my recordings to disk.
     
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    I suppose in theory that's possible. But frankly I could not be arsed making backups of everything just in case the machine breaks. If that happens, I'll buy the DVD!
     
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    Where do I buy uncaddied branded DVD-RAM? svp have two makes, but not the coated types that rasczac describes above. Also are branded DVD-R's coated? The Datawrite Greys are working fine, but I'd pay a bit more for something that was less likely to get scratched. Thanks, NS
     
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    No - but DVD-Rs are less prone to damage than uncaddied/unprotected DVD-RAMs. That said you can buy scratchproof DVD-Rs - TDK Scratchproof DVD-Rs for example.

    I'll post some links later this evening.
     
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    So it is in fact quite ridiculous to buy a 9.4GB DVD RAM ??? :suicide:

    If hou have to turn it, to use the reverse side ( the other 4.7 GB ) you can as well use a 4.7 GB and when that is full, take antother 4.7GB ?
    Or am I missing someting ? :lesson:

    Today I bought 3 discs:

    1 TDK DVD-RAM 4.7 ( with cartridge )

    1 PANASONIC DVD-RAM 4.7 LM-AB120LE ( with cartridge )

    1 PANASONIC DVD-RAM 4.7 LM-AF120LE (non-cartridge )


    Is this good stuf ???

    Yes, I know, wit a harddisk it's very unlikely that I often use DVD-RAM, but sometimes a few disks maybe handy?

    [whisper mode on] psssst... I ordered a Panny DMR-E500....[/whisper mode off ] :rotfl:
     
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    Excellent mate, you'll have to let us know what you think of the 500 :)
    I think the only advantage of the double sided RAM discs is that they take up less storage space on your shelf to be honest.
     
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    Rasczac - I have seen TDK Scratchproof DVD-RW's but not -R's, if you see this before posting the links please let me (us) know where to find them (or whether all TDK -R media are generally more robust). Thanks, NS

    Now seen some places for Scratchproof TDK DVD-R's (expensive!)
     
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    Some good places to pickup DVD-RAM disks are:

    DVD And Media offer good prices on Maxell DVD-RAMs. The "Maxell DVD Ram 120 Min video case" ones are quite good in my experience.

    Panasonic E-Shop offers good prices on Panasonic DVD-RAMs.

    Have a look here - Scratchproof DVD-Rs are available from £1.10 each.
     
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    I've ordered a few RAMs from Panasonic, but they seem to be having stock problems at the moment. I mainly intend to use them for testing purposes so that I can try different modes and different lengths of recording to see what they look like without wasting DVDs. Obviously I'll also use them like a VHS tape for recording on one machine and watching on another.
     
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    Its not ridiculous they take up half the space on your shelf. That may not matter to you but its very important to some people. I had no difficulty justifying a DVDR to my wife because it meant the VHS tapes could be thrown, so we were both happy.
     
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    As far as I am aware, the only truly removeable DVD-RAM discs are in the Type 4 cases. I always thought the Type 2 could not be removed without breaking the case in some way. Incidentally, I use DVD-RAM more than DVD-R and treat them a bit like VHS tapes where I keep a number of movies/programmes on that I want to keep either because I want to see them when I get round to it, want to see them again at some stage or are of a historical nature. I know DVDR would be cheaper but I get paranoid about thinking I will never be able to use the disc again for recording if I ever wanted to. I also managed to buy a large number of DVD-RAM discs some time ago (Type 4 9.4G) for just over two pounds each. Unfortunately I have never seen them this cheap again!
     

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