DVD-R and Widescreen

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  1. Baj

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    Thinking of buying an E85. Found manual for American model at this address:

    media-server.amazon.com/media/mole/MANUAL000050727.pdf

    Page 14 states (note #6):
    DVD-R records in 4:3 aspect only.

    Is this true?
    Does it mean what it appears to mean?
    Help please.

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  2. Rasczak

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    What it means is that DVD-R does not record the widescreen switching signal maning you manually have to select 'Wide' on your screen. The anamorphic picture WILL be recorded.
     
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    Is this a limitation of all DVD recorders or just certain models?
     
  4. Kevo

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    I think it's a limitation of the DVD-R format, regardless of the model.

    What I'd like to know is...why can't DVD-R reatain the ws flag like other formats (DVD RAM, DVD-V etc)
     
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    I own an E95, and I'm sure I read in the manual that it only leaves out the widescreen signal if you record to HD in the "prepare for fast dubbing" mode. If you record to the HD in normal mode (meaning that dubbing to DVD will take you ages), or you record direct to DVD-R, it will record the widescreen signal.

    Correct me if I'm wrong!

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  6. Kevo

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    Don;t know abouthe E95.
    I do all my DVD-R authoring and finalising on the PC and none of them seem to carry the ws signal.
     
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    Tosh X32 does record the widescreen switching signal to DVD-R, whether you record to DVD-R directly, or dub from the HDD. In fact, the DVD-Video menu allows one to specify a ratio (useful where 4.3 and 16.9 material is recorded on the same programme, as format limitations mean aspect ratios can't be mixed on a DVD-R).

    Pioneer 420 (and therefore 520 and 720) does not record the wss to DVD-R, but does to DVD-RW (VR mode), as well as the HDD.

    Can't comment on the Panny E85, but the E55 did not record the wss to DVD-R, but did to DVD-RAM (VR).

    Hope this helps
     
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    How come none of the DVD authoring software that I have used (TMPG DVD Author, Pinnacle and Ulead Video Studio 8) never seem to record the ws signal.
    Do i need to do some further tweaking with teh DVD VOB files before commiting to DVD-R?

    The bulk of it is in 4:3 in which case the TV should auto switch to 4:3 but it doesn't, it stays on 16:9.

    Could the problem lie elsewhere? Although I can't see where, as both TV and DVD auto switch fine for commercial DVDs.
     
  9. Rasczak

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    Are you using DVD-RAMs or DVD-RW VR mode? If so then they should recognise the switching signal without problem - if they do not you need to check your settings. What recorder do you have Kevo?
     
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    I'm using DVD-RAM on a Pan DMR E100 and then import on the PC using an LG 4040 DVD Writer.

    Is there a setting on the E100 that is preventing the ws signal being recorded to the RAM disk?

    The only one I could see seemed to refer to when high speed dubbing from HD to DVD-R directly on the recorder. (I assume this doesn't affect RAM disks)

    My procedure is either from VCR or DV Camcorder to RAM, hardly ever from HD (because quite simply since I've had the E100 there hasn't been anything on TV worth archiving, except The Office Xmas Special, another one that won't auto switch, this time to 16:9!)
     
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    Thanks for info

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    Kevo, unfortunately if you have DVD-R compatible mode switched on, for some reason the Pannys don't record the WS signal on RAM/HDD. They still pass the signal through though for stuff you're monitoring but not recording.
     
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    Yes, even my HDD recordings have never auto switched.

    Where is this 'DVD-R Compatible mode' setting?

    Do you mean the 'DVD-R Rec for High Speed mode'?
    I have this set to off, so this setting makes no difference.

    Rasczak, how do you have your HS2 set up?
     
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    Kevo, in Functions/Setup/Connections do you have an option to set DVD-RAM screen format? On the HS2 you did but by the E95 they have changed this to a single TV Aspect ratio option: I'm not sure which 'camp' the E100 falls in. But that is the setting that you need to check first.
     
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    I have the Pan 85 and haven't had any problems with it's recordings to dvd -r. As far as I'm aware, my Toshiba lcd changes it's format to suit the program that I've recorded. Apart from 14:9 which ends up staying in 12:9 with borders at the top and bottom.
     
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    There is a setting but it's under the heading of 'Normal (4:3) TV Settings (DVD RAM)'. It is set to Letterbox.
    There is also a setting for DVD-Video, this is set to Pan & Scan. But in the manual it says these settings reflect how the images of 16:9 material will appear on a 4:3 TV, so surely this does not apply to me as I am using a 16:9 WS TV.

    I've tried the other options of 4:3 and P&S but it's still the same.

    There is also the usual Tv aspect ratio setting which is set to 16:9. However, If I set this to 4:3 normal (and the above RAM settong to Letterbox) then it will output already recorded HD 16:9 material as 4:3 letterbox, which would indicate that the ws flag is present!

    I'd be interested to know how other E100 uses fair.
    All I know is that neither HDD or RAM recordings have never auto switched to 4:3 or 16:9.

    How should it work when selecting progs in Direct Navigator?
    Should it auto switch in the background or when you press OK and watch the prog?
     
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    You forgot to tell that the "Pioneer 420 (and therefore 520 and 720)" (and also 5100) can record in widescreen to DVD-R if you first save the widescreen recording on your HDD and then highspeed copy it to DVD-R. This works if the recording on the HDD is in XP, SP or MN 19-32. I have done it many times. It works great. :thumbsup:

    Btw. In the highspeed copy mode it takes only 8 mins to fill the DVD-R if you use 8x DVD-R discs. :)
     
  18. Kevo

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    OK, just had another look and current state of play is.....

    HDD/RAM will auto switch to 16:9 but not to 4:3.

    Tried all sorts of setting changes but toof no avail.

    In previous posts about this subject the conclusion always was that the ws signal works both ways, i.e. that it is there to switch to 16:9 or 4:3 (so when selecting a 4:3 programme in the Direct Navigator it should switch to 4:3 and not stay in stretched 16:9 mode as it does now!)....

    And also that the ws flag is LOST/RESET on the DVD-R format, or does this only apply to Panasonic DVD Recorders?
     
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    This is how my e85 behaves. It switches to 16:9 but doesn't switch back. This is the same if watching sky through AV2. If the machine is switched off, the passthrough switches correctly (16:9->4:3 and 4:3->16:9)
     
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    Mine auto switches fine for 16:9 and 4:3 for live TV, switched on or off.
     
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    OK I bought a couple of new scart leads today, to confirm it wasn't my leads, and my e85 still doesn't switch back to 4:3 for live TV.
    Can anyone with an E85 confirm live TV switches fine when it is switched on. :lease:
     
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    You meant FINE not XP I believe.
     
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    Does anyone know whether the 8x dvd-r discs will work at that speed on the Pioneer 5100,which came out when 4x was the max.Or will they simply work at 4x?
     

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