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DRM Intel and HTPC

Discussion in 'Desktop & Laptop Computers Forum' started by Steve.J.Davies, Jun 15, 2005.

  1. Steve.J.Davies

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    It is quite strange because from a business point of view they are not afraid to announce their plans to work with bios authors and Microsoft to introduce the functionality we read about now, but are very reluctant to tell the consumers what control it gives them over our machines. They are very obviously driven by commercial concerns above an beyond what they make selling hardware to us. Perhaps a share in the rewards made from the sale of media/programs that uses their DRM systems. Question is will they ever be bold enough to lock out those that don't?
     
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    Already happens .. the HD WMVs that have started to appear require a level of DRM that many of the lower-end media players such as ZoomPlayer don't have because it costs $15,000 to license.

    This is merely the beginning, when Longhorn appears you'll see just how powerless users can be made when the O/S can use TCPA-enabled hardware .. which is what Intel have been shipping for many months now.

    What you see in Apple's rigid control of iPods will be seen on PCs .. non-Windows media PCs (eg. Linux-based) will cease to be viable since most media will be protected by hybrid software/hardware solutions only licensed commercially.

    Also say goodbye to the likes of AnyDVD et. al. which haven't already been closed don like DVD Decrypter has becuase the techniques they use to break DVD protection won't be possible on TCPA-based systems. No more ripping to hard disk, no more removing region locks etc.

    And no, HD DVD protection won't be broken like SD was, hardware-based protection will make most methods crackers use impotent.
     
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    Do you think AMD are going to fall into line? Obviously with Microsoft providing the operating systems the vast bulk of pc users use, they would be obliged to 'go with the trend'.
     
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    Well, Intel can try all they like to push this on people but they are currently not in a position to do it without further jepordising their operation.

    They have been playing second-fiddle to AMD from a technical viewpoint for quite a while now and to add features like DRM in now - and make it not an option - could be very bad for them indeed. I guess its potentially a make-or-break situation as they could lose a huge percentage of the new home PC market based on this - almost certainly why they are staying closed-lipped at the moment.

    As for hardware not being cracked.....it will be, anything and everything is crackable, all it takes its a few skillful people with enough motivation to crack it......and boy would this give some people that drive :devil:

    I remember what i consider the "first step" towards this type of thing, when Intel added the serial number feature on the Pentium chip.......under overwhelming pressure they made it toggleable in the BIOS and thats when they were without doubt the number 1 CPU maker.
     
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    Their operation is not in jeopardy though. They are still the corporate platform of choice, you have yet to find an AMD Dell and the only die hard AMD users are enthusiasts who make it their business to 'know'. Randomly choose 50 PC World shoppers and ask them 2 questions. What do Dell do? and, what do AMD do? The answer may challenge your assumption that AMD can actually afford not to do the same themselves!
     
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    You miss the point .. the percentage of people who get to chose and exercise that option is miniscule in the grand scheme of things. People buy Dell machines in droves, every one now has this chipset on-board. Ditto that for most other mass-box shifters.

    Sure, the technically aware can choose to avoid .. however, when downloadable multimedia is wrapped in a DRM ONLY playable by machines equipped like this then the choice to avoid it means choosing not to play such media.

    It's your choice, it's mine, most people won't know and even if they do won't care, it's going to happen.

    The unique serial number thing happened in a different era, this TCPA-enabling will be sold as helping users 'secure' their PCs against viruses, phishing etc. .. it'll be largely bull-s*** of course but few will know that and few wil care .. and on that basis people with think it's a Good Thing.

    Hey, people think ID cards are a Good Thing, they're largely clueless as to the end-game intended by those pushing it.
     
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    Sounds to me like some of the people that can make a difference have given up already.

    It isnt here in force yet, it hasnt taken hold yet, but you've already convinced yourselves its here to stay. A defeatist attitude is what WILL allow DRM to take hold.
     
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    DRM is here. HDCP is here. Just sitting there waiting for the media and software to start using it. We can stop it no more than we could stop agp to pci-express or ATX to BTX. It will simply be bundled with the stuff we do want. ;)
     
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    Looks like a key element is within the MS code... therefore I cannot see it being too long before clever people are providing tools to manipulate the hardward from the OS again.
     
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    But the way these work, they can lock out any known hacks retrospectively. Consequently, even if a work around is found it will need to be kept secret because as soon as they appear on the p2p or bittorrent channels, MS will be aware and looking at ways around the problem. The hacks will be effectively contained, especially here where the money is.
     
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    Well we do not really know how MS will handle hacks, it certainly has not been able to protect its own software from copyright violation.
    Anything that is allowed to play on a PC will be hackable in one form or another.
     
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    Ease of availability of windows has not done MS any harm. In fact who would mess with Linux when XP was available free from anywhere you cared to look. The monopoly is now completed and we are all captive users!
     
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    The end of the world is nigh!
     

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