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Dragon's Den - Season 3

krish

Distinguished Member
great show, but terrible with the follow up
- almost EVERY deal falls through and the Dragons pull out!!!!
which kind of leaves a bad taste in the mouth, and doesn't make series 3 as interesting a proposition as series 1

still love the car crash factor and the awful pitches.... especially when some cocky young thing in jeans and open shirt gets a bollocking from Peter Jones for not taking things seriously

also glad they have now got rid of that failed businesswoman Rachel Elnaugh.... was an embarassment to have her as a Dragon trying to impart her wisdom (Meet The Dragons - www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/biogs)

broadband clips - www.bbc.co.uk/broadband/mediaplayer/players/bbc2/bb_wm_console.shtml?package=4588046
 

Toasty

Distinguished Member
Yeah, good show, agree with Krish regards the follow ons, however, its still fun watching the pitches! :smashin:
 

ash

Well-known Member
It was eggcellent don't you think?

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T800

Well-known Member
The guy with the bath contraption should have said to the Dragon make it 30% and we have a deal. Saying will you budge on 40% isn't quite the same.
 

Kevo

Well-known Member
Talk about re-hashing old TV programmes!

Granada TV did this about 20 years ago with a programme called 'Flying Start'. Not sure if it went out nationally but even back then it featured the usual panel of ad Guys/Good guys.
 

shahedz

Distinguished Member
the pc in a table was possibly the worst idea i have ever seen,

i am so glad they got rid of Rachel Elnaugh- they can't have a failed dragon offering advice- i hate they way they have all adopted the Simon Cowell way of abusing contestants-although some deserve it
 

T800

Well-known Member
The coffee table was rubbish, as soon as I saw I pictured people with aching backs.
I laughed so hard when I saw them ****ty maps.

I thought the Egg idea was well smart, I'd buy one.
The new Dragon, the woman is gonna be annoying, it looks like she's there just to tell people how wrong they are, good idea or not.
 

krish

Distinguished Member
loads of amusing and terrible ideas last night...

the toilet seat covers
those frickin' pointless town maps
those frickin' pointless (little tree hugger books?) in coffee shops
the dog jumpers that people can already get
the PC coffee table :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (Duncan: "well everybody has a bath, doesn't mean we'll put a PC there" :D)
the west end show by two beginners :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

krish

Distinguished Member
Kevo said:
Talk about re-hashing old TV programmes!

Granada TV did this about 20 years ago with a programme called 'Flying Start'. Not sure if it went out nationally but even back then it featured the usual panel of ad Guys/Good guys.
DD's been a fairly successful business/entertainment show for three years now, and today's post-internet global business landscape and practices are very different to the 80s. Just going on this TV Cream description, I can see the similarities, but some obvious big differences too. I very much doubt DD's makers had ever heard of Flying Start when DD began.
TV Cream said:
FLYING START (1980s)
GRANADA​

ODD LITTLE North-West-only business-oriented "gameshow". It was made by Granada in the 80s and therefore, as dictated by the Broadcasting Act, it had to be presented by TONY WILSON. A front for some rubbish North-West new business award competition type thing, each week the managing director of a local "firm" would appear and try and convince a top panel of old deadheads that they were the top cheeses and deserving of this prize. So show stuck to rigourous format - introduction, short Play School-style film about this week's contestant and their activities, then the important grilling from head of chamber of commerce, T. Wilson etc. That was it. Every week. Up against EastEnders. Final show in each series was a big posh black-tie dinner in an expensive hotel in Lancashire, where they decided the overall winner. Prize was distingushed (read: crap) plastic trophy, and large amount of cash (thus giving new business a "flying start" - do you see?). Logo was stylised arrow indicating erm, "flying start". Usually played out over many weeks, and unnoticed after about three editions. A Granada contractual obligation, and, as with all contractual obligations in post-consolidation ITV, dead.
 

PoochJD

Distinguished Member
Hi,

An enjoyable start to Series 3. :) Some very silly ideas, but also one or two interesting ones - especially for me the Overflow device.

Can't believe the first guy, thought he'd get the Dragons' to cough-up £150k (or whatever it was) for his PC in a table! What a muppet! :rotfl: Definitely one of the worst ideas I've ever seen in the show's short history! And the less said about the poopdle clothing range, the better! :suicide:

The only annoying thing, is that we don't get to hear much comment from the Dragons' themselves, about why they liked or hated certain products (which we used to see more of in Series' 1 and 2), and the stupid "Matrix-style" Bullet-time thing, that is shown as Evan Davies interviews the inventor(s). Other than that, a good show! And the new lady Dragon's a bit of a miserable old so-and-so, isn't she?! Not as fun as Rachel Elnaugh was.

If anyone missed the show, it's repeated next Tuesday night at 11:20pm on BBC2, and then the series continues each Thursday night at 8pm, also on BBC2. Only seven episodes left! :(


Pooch
 

krish

Distinguished Member
PoochJD said:
....If anyone missed the show, it's repeated next Tuesday night at 11:20pm on BBC2, and then the series continues each Thursday night at 8pm, also on BBC2.
as with The Apprentice and The Armstrongs each episode will be available to watch on the BBC2 broadband site (URL in ash's and my first posts) right up until the current series ends.

Just going back to Flying Start, as Kevo first mentioned.... its quite amusing in hindsight to imagine Tony Wilson giving business people a grilling when he completely :censored: up his own Factory Records business (in partnership with New Order, their manager the late Rob Gretton, and producer the late Martin Hannet) shoving £££££££s up the noses of Shaun Ryder, Bez and The Happy Mondays :D

... sorry for going :offtopic: but am also reminded of New Order's Peter Hook on Tony Wilson's 24 Hour Party People biopic film:
"they've got Manchester's second biggest :censored: [Coogan] playing Manchester's biggest :censored: [Wilson]"
:rotfl:
 

John 1987

Well-known Member
That car Dr bloke, what a fool, his business plan was to advise the callers to go to a garage.:rotfl:
 

Rian1988

Active Member
John 1987 said:
That car Dr bloke, what a fool, his business plan was to advise the callers to go to a garage.:rotfl:

:rotfl: I was :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: All the way throught that, that guy sure didn't like the dragons.
 

soundstory

Well-known Member
Did I read somewhere that Peter Jones & Duncan Ballentyne actually stiched up Rachel on a business deal ?

Anybody shed some light ?

As for S3, it's getting more stage managed every series ! but good fun
 

krish

Distinguished Member
soundstory said:
Did I read somewhere that Peter Jones & Duncan Ballentyne actually stiched up Rachel on a business deal ?

Anybody shed some light ?

As for S3, it's getting more stage managed every series ! but good fun
Don't think thats true at all; I read an interview with her recently and she's mates with Jones.
It was Jones and fellow dragon Theo Paphitis who bought her bankrupt business Red Letter Days from the receivers

In that interview she was asked if Jones and Paphitis had stiched her up over buying Red Letter Days; and she said something like not at all, and she wanted it to go to her fellow dragons rather than anyone else.

Crap businesswoman anyway, with none of the profit-making, self-made wealth or experience of the other Dragons.

As regards Banatyne, I'm not sure all the other Dragon's, especially Jones, are that pally with him.

I get you about the stage managing.... some of the annoyed/disgusted looks of Jones, or witty/bitchy remarks seem to have been added post-production
 

McNab

Well-known Member
I had to laugh at the woman who thought they would invest £50 grand for only £10k within 3 years.

And wouldn't the easyarmchair get all sweaty if it was doing you any good?
 

thfccambs

Banned
Watched this for first time lastnight,great TV.:rotfl:
 

Kazuya Mishima

Active Member
Been impressed with the new guy, Farnley (?), the Australian chap.

Unlike many of the others, he does not seem to need to 'showboat' at every occasion. Some of the others take too much pleasure in nasty comments about the prospective entrepreuners and their schemes.

And I don't like the way they DEMAND their cut - someone offers 15% equity, they say "I'll give you 100 grand for 50%, and that's non-negotiable." Or - "I don't negotiate that amount".

WHAAAAATTT??? I'm not in business but I thought negotiating a deal was good business skill.

The one that made me most angry (forgive me if I get this wrong because I was tired and dozing off!) was last night when someone was offered the money in return for 51% equity. What a bloody nerve! Think it was that blonde Dragoness with a face that could turn milk sour. How rude is that, wanting just enough so that "I want to be in control".

Grrrr!!! Great TV though!
 

jenic

Well-known Member
But the woman would have made much more money with a 49% share than she will with her 100% share.
 

mossy2103

Distinguished Member
Kazuya Mishima said:
And I don't like the way they DEMAND their cut - someone offers 15% equity, they say "I'll give you 100 grand for 50%, and that's non-negotiable." Or - "I don't negotiate that amount".
Most of the time, the "non-negotiable" tack is so that the Dragons can retain majority control in a business that would appear to be sorely lacking in drive and direction (and where their involvement as a minority partner would have little effect).


The one that made me most angry (forgive me if I get this wrong because I was tired and dozing off!) was last night when someone was offered the money in return for 51% equity. What a bloody nerve! Think it was that blonde Dragoness with a face that could turn milk sour. How rude is that, wanting just enough so that "I want to be in control".
She wanted control because it was apparent that the woman selling the picnic bag had no real ambition to grow the business beyond a niche name, she would have been happy making small profits each year, without any real vision, and it seemed obvious that she could not have been persuaded to chage. There would have been a major risk for anyone investing in that sort of business as it would have been many years before they saw any appreciable return on investment. With a 51% stake, the investor would be able to determine where the company went, what it sold, and how it developed, thus hopefully increasing its return. Sound business sense if you are stumping up the money.
 

StooMonster

Well-known Member
Dragons Den makes me smile, reminds me of when I was a VC of a quoted fund.

Used to get exactly the same kind of "entrepreneurs", albeit with the odd jem worth investing in. It was worse in the internet bubble days though ... so many stories... so many terrible ideas and stupid valuations too. Back in 1999 'First Tuesday' parties were a laugh though, if you had a VC badge on everyone was your mate; FT used to ring up and say "please please please come to our party" and they'd ply you with free booze. Ah... fun times. :)

StooMonster
 

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