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Donnie and the Squirrel

Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by Gambit, Nov 13, 2002.

  1. Gambit

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    I think we should restrict the amount of DVD's Squirrel God should be allowed to buy and therefore restrict the amount of free press he gives to good films. Thanks to his shameless pushing of Donnie Darko, my order from CDWOW has been delayed two times, due to no stock. Surely this is all his fault. Thankfully, a certain Squirrel told me this was such a good film, it's worth the wait.
     
  2. mr chadwick

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    play have it in stock,ordered last night,despatched today.
    i hope its a good as people make out.
     
  3. kevb

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    I agree with Gambit due to the Squirrels constant recomendation of both CD-WOW and Donnie Darko my order has been delayed also. Not only that but CD-WOW constantly remind me of the fact by sending me Emails telling me what is going on. I find this unaceptable.;) :D
     
  4. bobbles

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    it will come eventually

    i got 3 of those our suppliers have assured us letters

    but it came last week
     
  5. -Spike-

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    Never got round to ordering this and then forgot....until yesterday when a certain 50x50 sized advertisement caught my eye and then promptly ordered it from CD-Wow........

    .....and now awaiting stock:D :( :D
     
  6. James45

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    I had three of those emails from CD-wow re Donnie Darko (and play was out of stock at the same time) but it turned up this week and was worth every second that I had to wait for it! Fantastic film! While SG may be responsible for it's popularity around here I think others have been pushing this elsewhere;)
     
  7. Lex

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    You could always go and see it at the cinema!
     
  8. Squirrel God

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    Got my copy of Donnie Darko from CD-WOW yesterday, watched it last night. Class

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  10. karkus30

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    Got my copy from CD Wow yesterday, what a film. Now I have to look at the web site and watch it again with the commentary.
     
  11. bobbles

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    watched the commentary last night

    it did help me understand what was going on

    i think

    a few questions remain that perhaps the squirrel will know





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    From what i can gather near the start just before Donnie meets Frank the world enters a tangent universe caused by some rift hole whatever

    with all the people to guide him he realises its up to him to save the world

    he does this by going to the mountainside road near the end of the film and wills the engine into the hole thus preventing the world from collapsing in on itself

    how did he manage to pull the engine into the worm hole type thing and how did that cause the whole world to travel back in time?

    there may not be an answer to these questions

    and i might completely have the wrong end of the stick

    any ideas??????
     
  12. Squirrel God

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    I'm not so sure he did pull it in in the way you mean. It was his actions within the tangent universe that helped to pull back the primary universe which thus caused various events to take place for that to be realised. The world doesn't travel back in time in the traditional sense, think more of parallel universes (rather than worlds) - Stephen Hawking's Brief History of Time etc. Also, important to realise that each character has a specific role according to Roberta Sparrow's book (which you don't get to see in the movie, sadly). The movie has religious overtones too. You need to go through the official website. ;)






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  13. James45

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    sorta spoiler








    although it is a brilliant film, i think it's a real shame that so much info had to be hacked from the film. Without seeing the pages within the philosophy of time travel much of the plot will pass you by. Also in the final cut there is hardly any solid reference to religion which is again important just a few fleeting remarks.
    Director Kelly remarks in some of the deleted scenes that he didn't want to hit the audience over the head with the plot, but I think this is one area he misjudged, even the deleted scenes which he considered too 'heavy handed' aren't really, I think the film requires a certain amount of infomation to make any sense and even Kelly said that he must address the 'clarity issue' in his next film so he obviously feels this way to a certain degree. I know it's unlikely for a few years (until the film generates a real cult following) but I'd love to see a longer directors cut released on DVD.
     
  14. kevb

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    Well it looks the Squirrels off the hook until he comes across his next must see movie and shamelessly plugs it to death for no charge to the film company.

    CD-WOW have sent my copy today, so by their ever increasing good standards I should have it within the next 30 seconds or so.:p
     
  15. Squirrel God

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    James,

    I know we've discussed this privately very recently, but bear in mind that Kelly had a limit on how long the movie could be and so he painfully had to make some cuts - sadly, he perhaps didn't always make the right decisions on the cut. Luckily, they let him have Donnie Darko at the 2 hours it is though - as a first director, we may have been left with a 90 min movie :eek:

    BTW, you might wanna stick a spoiler warning at the start of your post as some of the stuff you've mentioned, although it doesn't give the plot away, it does kinda ruin the magic a little ;)



    Kev,

    Should mean you'll be watching this beauty on Monday night then :D
     
  16. kevb

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    With a Bit of Luck:D

    No Doubt Gambit will be along shortly to tell us he got his copy from CD-WOW even before it was posted. ;) :p
     
  17. stevegreen

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    I ordered mine yesterday from CD Wow so hopefully i will get it tomorrow......never heard of it before reading about it on these here forums so I hope it's as good as SG says :cool:
     
  18. mcmullanbrush

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    I got mine about a month ago.

    I have already PMd Squirrel to thank him and I am happy to do it again on this thread.

    I have seen it twice and will probably watch it again tomorrow night. Probably the best film I have seen since Amores Perros.
     
  19. Gambit

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    well, it should have been shipped today but no confirmational E-mail, but no worries. I think Squirrel (being one of the major investors in the company) has power to control when they send the orders out and is gettin back at me for this thread:mad: :D ;)
     
  20. -Spike-

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    Mine too :D

    I've dodged the spoiler posts, what about the website?
    See the film first?
     
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    Definitely - movie first, then website. Not only are there spoilers on the website, but it will make no sense without the movie anyway.
     
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    ok then i think i have now got it


    a rip in the forth dimension, has created a tangent universe, a vortex exists linking them

    a plane has passed through this vortex and its engine has entered the tangent universe

    as it landed on donnie's bed he has been chosen to return the engine back to the primary world before the tangent world collapses creating a black hole

    donnie's actions such as burning the house down and flooding the school set up a chain reaction of events which led to the engine returning to the primary world

    all those around without knowing it are manipulated into guiding donnie

    those who die in the tangent world have special powers such as the ability to time travel and they use this to guide donnie in his quest ie frank and donnie's mrs

    and everyone in the tangent universe back to the primary world they have vague memories of their dream which uneases them somewhat
     
  23. Ian J

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    For those that religiously follow Squirrel's recommendadtions, his all time second favourite fim is "The One"
     
  24. kevb

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    I think your confusing Squirrel God Favorites with your own Ian. I know the one is your Favorite two.:D
     
  25. Squirrel God

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    Yes, the plane is the Artifact Vessel. In the book, Roberta says that metal is the (transitional) element for the construction of Artifact Vessels.

    Yes, but Roberta says:

    "The Living Receiver is chosen to guide the Artifact
    into position for it's journey back to the Primary Universe.

    No one knows how or why a Receiver will be chosen. "

    Although we might assume that Donnie is chosen by God.

    Yes, these are the Manipulated Living.

    No. No one dies in the Tangent Universe (unless they are killed or murdered etc). It's a parallel universe so people exist in both simultaneously. Thus, everyone exists in the Tangent Universe and the Primary Universe in parallel. Separate instances of the same person if you like. That is why a vortex between the two is so dangerous.















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  26. Kramer

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    'nuff said :D
     
  27. Gambit

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    came this morning, watched it this afternoon and now off to the website before I ask SG what the hell is going on. Good film, I think.:D
     
  28. karkus30

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    I think SG is one of the manipulated dead ( I remember one of his avatars was a bit scary ) thats how he knows so much about the film. Im still not sure of one bit though

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    When the first engine hits Donnys bedroom, are we on a journey or does that really happen. If it does happen how can it happen twice with the same engine, what happened to the rest of the plane...............awwwwghhh my brain hurts.........everytime I think I have the plot sussed, something upsets it all....bugger:confused:
     
  29. Squirrel God

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    Yes it does really happen. We are talking about parallel universes here and rips in the space-time continuum so things don't have to happen in order or even in the same universe. Time and space are distorted.

    The best way to think about it is in the film itself. Remember when Donnie was sitting in the armchair and he could see the paths of time coming from everything. Imagine that time is not a line, but is more like a twisted tube. Then things can happen in any order! You can die and then be born for example! Our usual (traditional) sense of causality becomes a mess (causality can often be thought of as being merely implied and subjective anyway). Remember as well that there is the primary universe and the tang. universe - so the two intersect (which is what they're not normally supposed to do) thus throwing everything out. I appreciate it's very metaphysical, which is why I said that having read a few popular science books from people like Stephen Hawking, Michio Kaku ("Hyperspace") and David Deutsch ("The Fabric of Reality") can help no end here. The David Deutsch book is a bonus in that it's fantastically well written and particularly splendid read - very enjoyable :)

    Go back and read this thread from the start, watch the movie again, and go through the website again (paying particular attention to the pages from Roberta Sparrow's book) and mull it all over. It'll suddenly click - trust me :)











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  30. karkus30

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    Thanks for the reply SG, trouble is it conflicts with my own thoughts on this subject in several areas, not sure if this is the place to air views on time and space, but I would welcome the oppertunity to bounce a few ideas around in the General Chat Forum if your interested.
     

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