well, as the Tevion got rounded on in another thread, I'll try and find my dad a decent HDD recorder. Here is what he wants: 1) Freeview. He'll want freeview access, but that can be either a built in tuner, or connecting up a STB. If he connects up a STB the HDD recorder should switch it over ideally (set one timer, not two) Thats the main priority. Secondary priorities, in order of niceness. - DVD recorder - twin tuners - DV in so he can dump the grandkids onto DVD easily Oh, and not crazy expensive - £200-300?