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Who has been the best Jack Ryan?


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Tom Davies

Editorial Contributor
Hello and welcome again to our monthly AVF Movies Podcast discussion thread.

The next Movies Podcast hosted by me, @Casimir Harlow and @Simon Crust will be livestreaming on our YouTube channel on Tuesday 4th May 2021 at 8:00pm.

In advance of every Movies Podcast, we ask you, the Movies Forum burghers to share your opinions on a different topic each month.

This time, off the back of the launch of Tom Clancy's Without Remorse on Amazon Prime Video, we're going to be discussing the pitfalls of adapting movies and TV shows from books, particularly the practice of updating them to set them in the present day. But we'd like to know what you think. The most interesting responses will be discussed on the podcast!

So, with that in mind:

  • Tom Clancy movies (and TV shows) have been rebooting and updating his most famous character Jack Ryan for 30 years. Which is your favourite?
  • Also, is the character better served in a period closer to the cold war or does he have a place in the 21st century?

  • Do you have a favourite book-to-screen adaptation? How closely does the movie follow the book? What do you think it gets right (or wrong)?

  • What do you think of adaptations which drastically modernise old stories? Think Casino Royale, The Personal History of David Copperfield, Romeo+Juliet, Clueless...

Please flash your answers in Morse code and I will send one ping only to acknowledge.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
I think there's some great examples. Grisham stuff works an absolute treat. A Time to Kill one of my all time favourites. Lehane as well, look no further than Mystic River there. Also Gone Baby Gone which is powerhouse stuff.

As for Jack Ryan, he definitely works better old school in the Cold War. I'm already far from happy Without Remorse is getting sullied with a different take and modern day setting.

(However interestingly you're focusing on Jack Ryan when Without Remorse is John Clark's story. I guess it's just for the intro).

Clear and Present Danger is the best of the bunch, it's a pity we never got a couple more Ford outings. I think Affleck at the time was a bad choice to take over, but older and grizzled Affleck now would make a good Ryan imo. They should bring him back.

The new John K. Amazon series is pretty decent. First season far superior, but I'd like to see where and how far they go with that. John K makes for a pretty good Ryan, and Bunk a beautiful Greer. Although Bunk is beautiful in everything :D
 

Tom Davies

Editorial Contributor
However interestingly you're focusing on Jack Ryan when Without Remorse is John Clark's story. I guess it's just for the intro
We are under no illusions that talking about Without Remorse will take an hour of our time so we thought we'd go with a more general Clancy vibe to lead in to it. Plus, Clark is in a couple of those Ryan movies so that's...you know...something.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
We are under no illusions that talking about Without Remorse will take an hour of our time so we thought we'd go with a more general Clancy vibe to lead in to it. Plus, Clark is in a couple of those Ryan movies so that's...you know...something.

No that's cool :)

Whilst just thinking about this, another massive missed opportunity thus far for a great book to film series would also be James Patterson's Alex Cross series.

We did get a glimpse with Morgan Freeman of course, but those films weren't great. And we naturally don't speak about the Tyler Perry affair :)

Freeman though was a great choice for Cross at the time. Too old now.
 

Tom Davies

Editorial Contributor
Welp, looks like Without Remorse is going down like a lead balloon. Looking forward to having a few things to say about it on Tuesday.
 

Casimir Harlow

Blu-ray Reviewer
Looking forward to going into the Belly of the Beast on this one.
 

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