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Discussion in 'Satellite TV, Sky TV & FreeSat' started by MartinImber, Jul 22, 2003.

  1. MartinImber

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    If you want HDTV please help.

    When analogue is switched off the government would like to sell some frequencies for mobile use. However I think it should be used for HDTV instead.

    Imagine BBC documentries in 1080i rather than 575i

    Anyway websites to look for contacts on are


    1) The ITC
    http://www.itc.org.uk

    2) The government department
    http://www.digitaltelevision.gov.uk/

    3) And your MP

    Lets get a campaign rolling:lesson:
     
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    How about the campain to switch mobile phone transmitters* to broadcast digital TV? It's the only way people like myself will ever get decent tv reception as far as I can tell.

    *Nearest digital tv transmitter-40 miles. Nearest mobile phone transmitter- 1 mile.:clap:
     
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    Having glimpsed HDTV while on holiday in the states I have to say gimmie gimmie. But it will be years before we see it here.
     
  4. MartinImber

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    If you want it email the above people!!!!
     
  5. Chris Muriel

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    Actually there are moves afoot to help HDTV happen over here.
    Have a look at posts in the forum called "High Definition TV" which resides in the TechTalk area.
    The main proponent is an outfit called Euro1080.tv & their website is at the obvious www.1080.tv URL
    1080 refers to the standard they'll use - 1080i.
    There was actually a feed carrying HDTV on the satellite known as Telstar11 at 37 degrees West last month. It was an adhoc feed for MTV showing a Robbie Williams concert.
    I have to agree that once you see HDTV on a decent display platform , you really want to have it.
    I just hope that the above outfit does suceed as the capital investment required is quite high.

    Chris Muriel, Manchester (satellite anorak with a steerable 1.8 metre dish . several sat receivers , 2 PCI satellite cards and a homebrew spectrum analyser added to 1 of them see http://www.moonglow.net/tvro/blsa.html).
     
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    I am just hoping that when my DX20 gets due for replacement there will be something better to replace it with. Currently the Sony IDTVs appear to have the best UK digital picture quality but I really want HDTV - this is one of the reasons I want DTTV strong and PAL shut down as then we can push for a few HDTV muxes - eg BBC1, 2, C4 - perhaps as SFNs:cool:
     
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    Chris from one satellite anorak to another do you have the frequency/SR/FEC of the adhoc on Telstar 11?

    Matt.

    P.S. Still looking for a bigger dish :( Got a 1.3 metre but it didn't make any difference :(
     
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    Sorry , my memory failed me (parity error).
    It was PAS3R at 43 West :
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    43ºW- 12715 H 30000 3/4 33/36 ID: MTV/TMC2

    HDTV..concert somewhere in N.America?
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    NB: Q) What goes "pieces of 7 ! Pieces of 7 !"
    A) A parroty error.

    Boom , boom :)

    Chris Muriel
     
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    :rotfl: :rotfl: I must tell that one to my fellow engineers!

    Thanks for the info I can get Pas at 43.W so I'll keep an eye out, maybe I'll see HDTV?
     
  10. Chris Muriel

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    There is also the proviso that you need a display device that can show HDTV resolutions, of course.
    The lower end plasmas can't do it.

    Chris Muriel
     
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    Guys even if you can grab a HDTV feed from somewhere what are you using to watch it. As far as I am aware there are no display units that can out that? Are top end plasmas able to show 1080i?
     
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    Guys,
    I've been briefly looking in t getting a Sat dish for HDTV. From reading various posts from Chris, Kramer, and others, and looking at lyngsat.com, it seems that in order to get as many HD feeds as possible, it might be worth investing in a steerable dish. My wife hates sat dishes, so I think I'll be very lucky if I can get up to around 90cm or so.

    What are your thoughts? Steerable? It is worth it? Or is it just as well to go with a horizontal bar & multiple LNBs?

    I don't know what additional control gubbins are needed for reposition the dish, finding, & locking on to signals. So, I was looking for websites that sell the equipment so I could figure out exactly what is required, various options, etc.

    I found a few websites with various sat dishes for sale, but I haven't come across any small steerable dishes for sale with all the bits required to make it work.

    Where do you guys buy your kit from? links please...

    BTW, I would prefer to get a HDTV STB when they are available rather than use a PC... even though I am a PC geek as well.
    My projector is very happy displaying HiDef. Bikini Destinations at Event 2 looked fantastic on it. :blush:

    Cheers, William
     
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    Well to see 1080i at its best you will need an ALiS screen made by either Hitachi or Fujitsu. They have a vertical res of 1024 and horizontal res on 1024. It is also an interlaced screen so ideal. It just crops the image but 56 lines, nothing really would not even notice it.


    PS I'm getting one soon (Hitachi 42PMA400E, £2500 from Richersounds)

    Harvey
     
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    I would get a demo of the ALiS plasma you are thinking about next to a Non-ALiS panel first. The marketing makes them sound great, but the Fujitsu P42HHA10(ALiS) at the Event 2 looked soft and washed out next to the Panys & Pioneers. I was surprised. In addition to DVD, HiDef was shown from the new JVC D40k D-Theater machine on all the plasmas. The plasmas were all calibrated as well (other than the new Pio 434HDE which we don't have the new codes for). I can even send you the calibration graphs (which are going to be sent out on CD to all the attendees as well).

    Go over to the Event II area and you should find some 'post-event2' comments including some on the fujitsu.

    Rgds, William
     
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    I forgot to say that most new(and many old) projectors and plasmas are capable of displaying the two main the HiDef resolutions used in the States, ie 1080i/60Hz, 720p/60Hz.
    Many new devices hitting the market now are also supporting 1080i/50Hz, 720p/50Hz, 1080p/60Hz, 1080p/50Hz, 1080p/24Hz(for 24fps). 50Hz support will be useful for european HDTV broadcasts.

    The HiDef resolutions are ussually processed by the device in some way to convert it to the device's native resolution/refresh rate....but not always depending on your particular device and resolution signal input.

    Look at the specs in detail and go see the thing before you buy.
     
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    To see 1080i at its best, you'll need a high end (probably CRT) projector.

    Or possibly one of the new 1920x1080 plasma screens that Samsung (and others) are producing. (Probably set you back £15K or more, though).
     
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    True but the ALiS panels are the best suited to 1080i this side of £5000. The Hitachi is only £2500. I wonder when real HD plasmas will be the same price!



    Harvey
     
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    So, anybody know any good sources for steerable dishes in the UK? and I don't mean flying saucers.

    Cheers, William
     
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    I got mine several years ago from a satellite trade place - even though I am not in the satellite trade ( although many of the techie types in the business know of me) ; I forget whether it was Eurosat or Satellite Solutions.

    Try http://www.satellitesuperstore.com/fixed-dishes.htm

    who seem to have a reasonable range.

    http://www.myersat.com/dishes.htm only seem to do up to 1.2 Metres (good enough for most people).

    Chris Muriel
     
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    Thanks Chris.
     

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