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Do you believe in God?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by shadowritten, Oct 14, 2005.

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  1. shadowritten

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    Seeing as the 'ghost belief' thread has gotten a bit metaphysical (partly my doing, I'll admit), I thought it might interesting to put this age-old question to the vote.

    I answered no, by the way, even though I'm 100% convinced of the reality of a God. I'll leave you to decide why this apparent paradox ...

    Enjoy. :)
     
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    why do so many threads always end up with religion at the end?
     
  3. shadowritten

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    Very profound question you ask there. Why indeed?

    If it's simply something to be dismissed, why discuss it at all? Yet, so many of us still do. Are we not confident that material science alone can give us all the answers we seek (given sufficient time and experimentation, naturally)? Why all this banging on about matters of a 'supernatural' kind?

    My, my, the questions just go on and on and on ...
     
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    I don't need any added 'complications' in my life so thats an emphatic NO.
     
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    God; one of mans earliest inventions.
     
  6. shadowritten

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    But as Volitaire said: 'If God didn't exist, it would be necessary for man to invent him.'

    Or something similar ...
     
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    no - I belive in myself. simple as...

    I can understand why faiths evolved, but in todays age..? no way, they're oppressive to women and thats not good.

    but on the other hand, they (i.e. christian faith) do have a set of rules that more should abide by... ;)
     
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    Prove to me he exists........
     
  9. shadowritten

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    Go look in a mirror ...
     
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    Yes...
     
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    The question was "Do you believe in God?" for which you require faith not proof. If you had proof it would be of an omnipotent being, not God.
     
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    Depending on your definition of god, it is very easy to prove that it exists. The closer and closer we get to a grand unifying theory of the universe, the more we realise we don't know, and the more it looks like we are reading god's face.

    I consider myself an athiest, and for me at least, god means a design, rather than a designer.
     
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    What an interesting position. New one on me ... and I like it.
     
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    No

    There is just a lack of "anything" that even hints to "his" existence. I'm not talking about suffering etc, why is it allowed,

    Like I never got christians with the go to church to be a good christian - isn't genuine self belief enough, as God is everywhere?

    Don't get me started on the riches of the catholic church, as well as religions role in everything its against
     
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    Veering slightly off topic, but is it just in Edinburgh that the majority of women (18 - 60+ by the look of some of them) going to the chapel wear short skirts, fishnet suspenders and make up an inch thick?
     
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    <shadowritten is moving to Edinburgh and becoming a Christian> :D
     
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    The church has to do with the community, god doesn't dwell in anything man-made.

    Don't get me started on papists! :D Bunch of paedophiles who look up to the :devil:
     
  18. shadowritten

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    Or how about in everything - man-made or not?
     
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    physicist Freeman Dyson said: “Science and religion are two windows that people look through trying to understand the big universe outside.”

    “Science deals with the measurable, religion deals with the immeasurable,” suggested author William Rees-Mogg. He said: “Science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God, any more than it can prove or disprove any moral or aesthetic proposition. There is no scientific reason to love one’s neighbour or to respect human life . . . To argue that nothing exists which cannot be proved scientifically is the crudest of errors, which would eliminate almost everything we value in life, not only God or the human spirit, but love and poetry and music.”

    If there is a Creator behind the universe, we cannot expect to comprehend him or his purposes by using telescopes, microscopes, or other scientific instruments. Think of a potter and a vase that he has formed. No amount of examination of the vase itself can give an answer as to why it was made. For that, we must ask the potter himself.

    Molecular biologist Francis Collins explains how faith and spirituality can help fill the void science leaves: “I would not expect religion to be the right tool for sequencing the human genome and by the same token would not expect science to be the means to approaching the supernatural. But on the really interesting larger questions, such as ‘Why are we here?’ or ‘Why do human beings long for spirituality?,’ I find science unsatisfactory. Many superstitions have come into existence and then faded away. Faith has not, which suggests it has reality.”
     
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    Off topic..but Shadowritten, now you have discovered General Chat, how long do you think it will be before you have 2000 posts?! :hiya: :) ;)
     
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    No offence mate, but that is some of the biggest load of crap I ever heard! :D
     
  22. shadowritten

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    Hiya fella! :hiya:

    Don't worry, I'll be racking up more in MP3 again soon :D
     
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    I love it when people so 'no offence'....you always know an insults coming right after :D
     
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    Broadly speaking, I applaud this post! :clap:
     
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    Like that south african lady on the fast show! :eek: :D
     
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    Thats a HUGE generalisation, and probably quite offensive to some people who look at these forums.

    Just because some people have different beliefs, does not all of a sudden mean they are kiddy fiddlers and satanists :rolleyes:

    I voted NO as I don't believe that any higher force or entity exists :)
     
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    Excellent. :thumbsup:
     
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    Drivel -- he obvoiusly hasn't studied social anthropology or studied social behavoiur in animals.

    Quite often its benifical to survival to have feelings of protection and to respect the life of your fellow species.....


    again drivel -
    Science never denys something that can't be proven ... it always simply states that we can't accept it as a fact.

    It nice that we know its a vase ... and that generally vases have a purpose so we would think to ask about what its for.
    We also know that vases are 'produced' by someone as a given .. therefore we would expect somewhere the was such a 'potter'

    Unfortunately, the universe does not have an obvious reason to be nor does it have a quality that makes it obviously created.

    Its a terrible analogy, badly thought out.

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    thats just so unbeleivably naive its a joke

    faith is a function of the physcology of man and his mind ... that he as always wanting answers to his existance. Because he has always asked, does that automatically mean the answers he has created for himself - and indoctrinated into his culture and his prodginy is true .....
    NO ofc it does not ..... its so logically flawed its almost and insult to peoples intelegence.

    the specific questions of faith by defintion will never be answered ... unlike many superstitions that can be shown to false.
    So its not surprising the same unprovable concepts and ideas are still around.

    Its an embarassment.
     
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    Worrying. And not for positive reasons either. I note the word 'him' with regards God, and the idea that faith is somehow a 'reality' suggests that these people have similair views to those in the US 'taleban' thread recently.

    There are too many dangerous people out there involved with religion for me to accept their notion of 'God'.
     
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    Faith in God, or faith in science ? :D
     

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