do twin tuner pvr with dvdr exist yet?

[Martin68]

I have been waiting for several years now for a freeview pvr with twin tuner and dvd recorder all in one, and i still can't understand why they still dont exist, Panasonic managed to produce a freesat version with blueray, so why can't we get a freeview version?

Are there any in the pipeline yet?

 

[Gavtech]

I have been waiting for several years now for a freeview pvr with twin tuner and dvd recorder all in one, and i still can't understand why they still dont exist, Panasonic managed to produce a freesat version with blueray, so why can't we get a freeview version?

Are there any in the pipeline yet?

It is just possible they may be... but it is certainly NOT certain.

They have not existed so far because it is not only two tuners that would be required , but two encoders also... and thus two licenses...and that is expensive to a manufacturer.

However there has been a change in approach ... such as is used in the Bluray recorders that you mention ... which permits a single encoder two be used with twin tuners... at the cost of some convenience and compatibility issues.

It is quite possible that with the advent of DVD-B T2, the new transmission standard for Freeview HD that Panasonic will take the same approach and supplant the twin Freesat tuners for twin Freeview to make similar models.

So it may come.

 

[Geofbob]

I have been waiting for several years now for a freeview pvr with twin tuner and dvd recorder all in one, and i still can't understand why they still dont exist, Panasonic managed to produce a freesat version with blueray, so why can't we get a freeview version?

Are there any in the pipeline yet?

And who did you think would manufacture this hybrid?

Leaving aside the Panasonic Blu-ray/Freesat machines - for commercial reasons best known to themselves - no prominent maker of Freeview PVRs (eg Bush, Humax, Topfield, Sagem, Vestel-clone companies) markets a DVD recorder in the UK; & no maker of DVD recorders (notably Sony & Panasonic, but also Samsung & Toshiba) markets a PVR.

So it's hard to see why one of these companies would not only start making the other sort of recorder, but would also build it into its existing device.

 

[nvingo]

...So it's hard to see why one of these companies would not only start making the other sort of recorder, but would also build it into its existing device.

There's clearly a market for them, as the question crops up on the forums almost daily.
However, there is a wisdom in keeping to separate devices, as in when inevitably one part of a combi breaks down.
It will come eventually. After all, five years ago, who would have (seriously) suggested amalgamating your PDA, sat-nav, camcorder/digital camera, MP3 player, MP4 video player AND Windows PC all into a device half the size of a typical mobile phone (and that you could make calls on!)?
And the VCR/DVDR/HDD/Freeview combis that do exist, are still cheaper than the first VHS of the 1980s.

 

[Martin68]

I had no idea that this problem is not technical but as Gavtec says its to do with licence cost for each encoder, this all sounds like the fat cats are holding back the technology through moneytery greed, when you think about it, it still dosent make sence because when you think of a mobile phone which can do internet, satnav, mp3, mp4, camera etc etc... that means theres several encoders and decoders built into each unit, so howcome they are so cheap to produce and buy.
If they can clearly see that their is a market for dual tuner hdd dvdr recorders then why don't they grant a licence for twin encoders, even if it dose cost more than a single encoder pvr, surely we are all willing to pay that extra amount? like its been stated, they will be cheaper than a vhs was 20 years ago, and today we have higher wages than we did back then so we can even afford them!

the only reason why i want a combi, and not seperates is for fast speed transfer to dvd, as a seperate dvd recorder would only do this in real time with ananalog link.
also transfering to a pc (this is what i currently do with my Topfield) to proccess by the pc then burn onto disc is a laborious job too.

please excuse my bad spelling!

 

[creddish]

I had no idea that this problem is not technical but as Gavtec says its to do with licence cost for each encoder, this all sounds like the fat cats are holding back the technology through moneytery greed, when you think about it, it still dosent make sence because when you think of a mobile phone which can do internet, satnav, mp3, mp4, camera etc etc... that means theres several encoders and decoders built into each unit, so howcome they are so cheap to produce and buy.
If they can clearly see that their is a market for dual tuner hdd dvdr recorders then why don't they grant a licence for twin encoders, even if it dose cost more than a single encoder pvr, surely we are all willing to pay that extra amount? like its been stated, they will be cheaper than a vhs was 20 years ago, and today we have higher wages than we did back then so we can even afford them!

the only reason why i want a combi, and not seperates is for fast speed transfer to dvd, as a seperate dvd recorder would only do this in real time with ananalog link.
also transfering to a pc (this is what i currently do with my Topfield) to proccess by the pc then burn onto disc is a laborious job too.

please excuse my bad spelling!

There is a very informative article on this subject here. It's written by someone who's name you may recognise if you are a Toppy fan.

Colin