Do the hd ready budget Samsungs have better blacks?

deblee

Novice Member
Id not think so, Id expect them to have a less effective filter and lower contrast than the top end sets.
Poster slc79 had a d450 that had better blacks than his d8000(all lights out), obviously no filter but then neither does the ut50 and the blacks are pretty good on that;)
 

Scooby2000

Distinguished Member
Poster slc79 had a d450 that had better blacks than his d8000(all lights out), obviously no filter but then neither does the ut50 and the blacks are pretty good on that;)
What meter did he use to get readings? Or was it by eye? Maybe he had a faulty D8000.
 

deblee

Novice Member
What meter did he use to get readings? Or was it by eye? Maybe he had a faulty D8000.
Just by eye but he said it was quite obvious, cannot believe we all had faulty d8000's and don't forget he had a vt30 so he knows what decent blacks are.
The users over on avsforums in the states been saying the same, something to do with the pixel size being hd ready or something
 

Scooby2000

Distinguished Member
This seems to originate from the thread I just replied in. Though it would be interesting to know for sure, it won't change the fact a bottom end 2012 set won't be as good as a top end 2011 set. Its a bit like comparing a 2012 BMW 3 series to a 2011 M3, in 5-6 years maybe but not in 12 months.
 

martinthorn1

Active Member
Well subjectively my bargain samsung(D450) has very acceptable blacks and with my DIY filter doesn't look too bad in the daytime either.. but I will counter this with stating I don't have any measurement equipment; the blacks are simply acceptable for me and not intrusively grey in any way. The overly reflective screen was my only bugbear..
 

slc79

Active Member
What meter did he use to get readings? Or was it by eye? Maybe he had a faulty D8000.
I did not meter them, but I had the D450 and the VT30 up and running at the very same time, and the D450 did not deviate visually a lot from the VT30 black level wise. I do also remember 0.02cd/m2 being mentioned as a figure for the D450, which is quite a bit blacker than the D8000s measured 0.06cd/m2. The difference is very obvious, and in addition the D450 has just as bright image as the D8000. This is still puzzling me. :)

Edit: I should add that the D450 completely loses in daylight viewing due to all the reflections in the panel. D8000 makes a very decent job in daylight, and when the sun starts to set and it's half way dark outside (with curtains closed), the D8000 is at its best. At these very conditions, black looks very black and deep. So if one somehow could obtain the same lighting conditions in the room artificially, it'd perform great all the time.

Edit2: also, I do not care one bit about what a meter reads. All I care about is the perceived black levels :) I'll cheat if I have to as long as my eyes sees the picture as black (meaning ambient lighting, etc. is fair game)
 
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martinthorn1

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Edit: I should add that the D450 completely loses in daylight viewing due to all the reflections in the panel.
That's why I put an anti-reflective film over the front of it..it has the perceived effect too of better blacks due to lower reflections in dark areas of the screen.
 
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