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Do I buy the car I want albeit a little older or a car that is less desirable to me that is new?

maclover

Active Member
Hi guys,

Do I buy the car I want albeit a little older or a car that is less desirable to me that is new?
To delve further, do I go for a BMW M3 or the Toyota GT86 TRD?

Warranty concerns on the M3, GT86 5 year warranty.

Though it will be minimal miles.

Obviously only I know the answer to what I want, but looking to get some info on what you would do.

Cheers
 

DVD-Man

Distinguished Member
Peace of mind but always wondering what could have been or having fun nut always wondering when you'll need to spend 2k?
 

MC77

Well-known Member
Nothing wrong with an older car, obviously if it's the right one (mileage, service history and all that) can't see there being an issue. Warranties aren't all they're made up to be sometimes. And if you're that concerned, factor in the cost of one of those extended warranties from AA or similar.
 

Greg Hook

Moderator & Reviewer
Buy the car you want.

Simple. :)
 

NewBeetle

Distinguished Member
Get the M3 otherwise everytime you see one while in your Toyota you'll have that horrible feeling. Also you'll be buying a car that power oversteers not one that relies on skinny rear tyres :rotfl: to get it's tail out. Shop around for a decent aftermarket warranty or find an M3 with BMW extended.
 

luckysim0n

Well-known Member
i just went with the heart got my self a scirocco 2 years free servicing 12 month warranty very happy would have been cursing my self if i had stayed sensible
 

mjn

Distinguished Member
M3 every time, just make sure you go through the service history with a fine toothed comb.

Assuming you'll be going for an E9x or newer? If you're going for the older E46, get the subframe floor checked for cracks, otherwise you're looking at a £1000+ bill to have the sub frame dropped, and plates welded in.
 

FZR400RRSP

Banned
I haven't driven one yet, but from what I've read I think the GT86 would get tiring.
Cars or bike that need revving all the time just become boring.
151lb/ft of torque at 6200rpm is just too little, too high up the rev range, IMO.
An M3 will fly even if you're not in thrash mode.
 

maclover

Active Member
Thanks guys.
What I liked about the GT86 was the shape/design but it extremely lacks in power.
As mjn said it would be an E9x 2011 ish model.
What I did find out was if you buy an 'approved used' from bmw it gets 12 months warranty, though I am unsure after 12 months whether you can extend further?

Cheers
 

un1eash

Distinguished Member
You can extend it and it will cost anything from £80-100 a month with BMW as it's an M.

It's not quite as good cover as the AUC warranty but still very good.
 

mjn

Distinguished Member
Yeah, if i was in a position to be buying an M3 or M5, i'd be making sure it had a BMW warranty on it!

I've seen some of the repair bills for M cars......£2k for faulty wiper systems, £5+ for exhausts, etc
 

FZR400RRSP

Banned
These big M-power bills are avoidable though, aren't they?
I'm sure you could pay £5k for an exhaust, but do you have to?
 

NewBeetle

Distinguished Member
These big M-power bills are avoidable though, aren't they?
I'm sure you could pay £5k for an exhaust, but do you have to?

Any decent independant/specialist can service M cars, supply and fit aftermarket or OEM parts at a fraction of the BMW workshop costs. People get scared into paying too much to keep everything 'done by BMW'.
 

mjn

Distinguished Member
That £5k was aftermarket! BMW wanted £8k apparently!
 

un1eash

Distinguished Member
You can get a scorpion or miltek cat back system for less then £1k. If your serious about an M3 consider the running cost closely as it will cost more then a gt86 to run. Road tax is £490 for the year and you'll struggle to get 20+mpg combined.
There are plenty of cars I could buy but I don't fancy the costs that go with them.
 

maclover

Active Member
Cheers again for all the replies.
In terms of mpg, I'm not really that bothered to be honest. It's a car that I may drive everyday which sounds like I'm contradicting myself with not being interested in the mileage to the gallon.
However, my workplace is 5mins down the road and once I'm at work we have a van that will be used.
The car is only to potter about around locally or if we want to go away for the weekend use that.

In terms of the running costs like services etc, I need to look at the timescales. But you and I know that when you buy a car like this you have to be aware that running costs are going to be higher.
 

un1eash

Distinguished Member
I've been toying with the idea of selling my daily and weekend car and getting a single car to replace them that I can use everyday. The only thing that's stopping me is the running costs. I wouldn't mind a 370Z or Cayman, I use to have a 350Z and the £465 road tax, 11mpg around town just makes it cheaper to keep my current cars.
 

FZR400RRSP

Banned
The more I think about it, the more I can't get over the GT86 torque.
151lb/ft at over 6000rpm?
Has any other car ever put out so little torque at such high revs?
My motorbike puts out 80lb/ft @ 8000rpm, but it only weighs 170kgs!!!
 

gangzoom

Distinguished Member
The e9x M3 and GT86 are aimed at the opposite ends of the market aren't they? One is a top of the range super saloon that can do everything you want but also give 911 turbos a good scare, the other is been sold as a cheap/fun way to enjoy RWD without having spend £££ in a similar fashion to the MX5.

If it's between a second hand M3 or new GT86 it would be a M3 every time for me. But it is still a £50k+ car so associated bills will be big, you can get local inds to do the labour but parts are still not cheap from BMW.

I recently spent £380 on a water pump and £180 on a fuel pump for my 335. Not horrendous costs but still not cheap, M parts usually have a 20% M tax over standard BMW items :)
 

maclover

Active Member
The e9x M3 and GT86 are aimed at the opposite ends of the market aren't they? One is a top of the range super saloon that can do everything you want but also give 911 turbos a good scare, the other is been sold as a cheap/fun way to enjoy RWD without having spend £££ in a similar fashion to the MX5.

If it's between a second hand M3 or new GT86 it would be a M3 every time for me. But it is still a £50k+ car so associated bills will be big, you can get local inds to do the labour but parts are still not cheap from BMW.

I recently spent £380 on a water pump and £180 on a fuel pump for my 335. Not horrendous costs but still not cheap, M parts usually have a 20% M tax over standard BMW items :)

I get your point, they are other ends of the spectrum, but I was more comparing age to age, having a new GT86 against a 3 year old or so M3.
Before I posted I preferred the M3 and have always wanted to have one.
Sometimes its head over heart vice versa.
 

sheriffwoody

Distinguished Member
The more I think about it, the more I can't get over the GT86 torque.
151lb/ft at over 6000rpm?
Has any other car ever put out so little torque at such high revs?
My motorbike puts out 80lb/ft @ 8000rpm, but it only weighs 170kgs!!!

the civic type r is probably lower?
 

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