Do any Freeview (OR Sky/Cable) boxes have Component outputs?

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  1. bradavon78

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    That's it. I have a spare component input on my TV and it would be great if I could use it for a STB.
     
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    The Netgem iPlayer Freeview box has a component output via it's scart socket.

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    Cheers.

    I've just been reading about that. It's more than just a STB. It's a decent price I must say at £90.

    Is it proper component though or quasi-component? i.e - Does it support progressive scan or is it just a minor improvement over RGB scart?

    I ask as it's through the scart socket. I take it you'd need one of those scart adapters with component outputs right?
     
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    I don't own an iPlayer so only know what I have read about it.

    The component output will be interlaced and therefore I would expect the output to be about the same PQ as RGBcvS. Therefore it is down to which input on your TV is better as some TV's don't handle RGBcvS that well.

    You can get a scart to 3 RCA YUV component lead from places such as www.keene.co.uk to use with the iPlayer.

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    Thanks.

    If I were in the market for a new Freeview box I'd definitely get the IPlayer+ (it's the same price as the aesthetically pleasing Sony but has much more features) but at £90 for:

    1. Digital Output
    2. Component Output
    3. The other wizardry most of which I wouldn't use (bar SMS maybe).

    The Internet support looks cool but on dial-up it would be slow (my TV is nowhere near my BB connection).

    Put simply for £90 it doesn't look worth it when my Ex On-Digital box already has excellent PQ and the same channels this will.

    I suspected that would be the case.

    AFAIK Non-Progressive Component isn't wildly better than RGB Scart. I've not tried the Component inputs yet but the RGB Scart on my new Samsung 32" LCD is amazing.

    What does RGBcvS mean?

    Thanks
     
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    RGB with composite video Sync.
    This is the RGB standard that is nearly always used in a scart connection, rather than RGsB (mostly used in USA, sync on Green) or RGBHV (horizontal & vertical sync on separate cables).

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    Why is rubbish composite sent with the RGB signal? To make it compatible with non-RGB equipment?

    What's the difference between RGsB and RGBcvS? Considering they don't have scart in the US I'm guessing they need Component to get any form of RGB.

    RGBHV is Component right?
     
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    COmponent is YUV or Y PbPr a colour difference sgnal
    Composit is used to sync the red gran and blue signals RGBHV is RGB with Horizontal and vertical sync lines
    RGBS is RGB with combined H & V sync on one line and RGsB is RGB with the green line carrying sync. RGBHV is what VGA uses and is progressive component and RGB are not interchanagable like RGBS and RGBHV can be ( RGBS wth the S fed to both normally works no jiggery pokery and RGBcvS (Scart RGB) can be be easily converted to RGBHV by sync stripping...........................................

    I wish they would notcolour component cable red green and bue causes all sorts of issues and keeping BNC for video makes so much more sense than RCA nevermind

    TO answe original Question, the Topfield PVR has component too (the fact it comes from a scart socket has nothing to do with the signal) but with the netgem RGBcvS is said to look better on most TV's but is ideal for screen with no scart and incompatible with a 15Khz horizontal sync..............


    Is your head spinning yet??? :confused: :eek: :rotfl: :hiya:
     
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    Component is any video signal that is sent on more than one cable. So S-Video, RGB (all formats) and YUV are all forms of component. What is generally refered to as 'component' is 'YUV component'.

    I was about to type more and have just noticed that hornydragon has beaten me to it! :smashin:

    Mark.

    ps, hornydragon, as pointed out to me by Gordon, RGBS could mean sync on Blue (and AFAIK doesn't exist) and therefore the correct term is RGBcvS.
     
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    mark RGBS is RGB+S aka RGB+dedicated sync (pro kit only normally) RGBcvS is sync on composite and following nomencloture sync on blue would be RGBs
     
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    Thanks guys

    Why? You wouldn't know what to plug in where if they didn't.

    Yes :D

    Put simply you're saying RGB via the scart looks better than the scart with component connections (i.e - YUV component)?
     
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    no.......the netgem output by RGBcvS is often better than YUV output ths depedns on your TV and there is no reason that the Y Pb Pr needs the same colour coding as the primary colours how does one label a YC cable or any RCA/BNC cable????? Y-Y Pb-Pb and Pr-Pr not really that hard..........
     
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    Thanks Horny but you're really confusing me.

    Isn't RGBcvS basically RGB Scart? (considering MarkE19 said it's what they mostly use). So you're saying:

    "Put simply you're saying RGB via the scart OFTEN looks better than the scart with component connections (i.e - YUV component)?"

    As for the rest it's confusing me so I best not comment.
     
  14. hornydragon

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    No i am saying that With the netgem and only with the netgem iplayer FV box there is often no Picture quality improvement when using Component video Y Pb Pr as an alternative to RGBcvS (the physical socket has no effect on this)
     
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    bradavon78, if you're confused, you're not the only one. I joined these forums seeking clarification on AV matters - especially connections - but I merely learned the depth of my ignorance.
     
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    My Ondigital Philips box has RGB via the scart socket. Needs to be switched on via the menu system. Also has a habit of switching back to composite randomly.
     
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    But RGBcvS is usually over scart?
     
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    Yes, RGBcvS is normally via scart in Europe, as are most video connections. But what HD is saying is that the signal quality before leaving the iPlayer is about the same for YUV component & RGBcvS. The physical connection type has no relation to the final PQ as it is scart in both cases.

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    correct RGB+S or RGBcvS is rare but sometimes used in USA/Japan with RCA connections not scart the fact the frnch inveted the scart a budble of coax on normal cables in one sheeth with a silly termination doesnt effect the signals just the sockets
     
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    I get this with my OnDodgy Nokia too. Dman annoying as it often takes a plug-out reset to sort it.
     

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