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DIY Mains Cables

Discussion in 'Cables & Switches' started by ReTrO, Mar 29, 2003.

  1. ReTrO

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    Could any ideas for DIY mains cables, tried or not, be posted here for future reference.

    Reviews/comparisions and pictures of cables most welcome.

    Thanks
     
  2. Matt Horne

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    I'll start with a simple solution :

    MK toughplug (silver plated)
    Manico/wattgate 320 iec
    supra lo-rad cable..

    Made about 4 of these for various bits in my system.. very pleased with them and the blue cable blends in better than black cable and makes the rear of my hifi rack look a bit less like spagetti junction.

    Cheers

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    I just use any old 13amp plug but from experience I'd try a standard MK plug rather against a tough plug to see which is better. Of course, I can't seem to find anyone near me who stocks the damn things!

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    I agree with Gordon. I bought some MK toughplugs from B&Q and I ended up returning them for the standard MK. This is due to them having the binding post type pins which makes it far easier to get a good connection with the wire.

    I also use Wattgates 320's imported from the states for $20 each and no inport tax.

    The jury is still out on the clear sheilded cable I borrowed from work though. I am going to buy some LoRad to compare it with.

    I wish I could get hold of some Sonic Link 25 mains cable from the reel as I have a mains lead using this which beats my own home brewed ones even though it has a bog standard IEC's and crap 13 amp plug.

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    Where can I get the various products mentioned so far?

    Also, which mains cable companies offer a Russ Andrews-like money-back guarantee? I fancy having a play around with these fancy mains cables and seeing if there really is a difference (definitely put me in the 'sceptics' corner...) but I can only do this if I can get my money back when their claims turn out to be bogus! ;)

    Cheers,

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    Black Rhodium will sell you that cable off the drum. It's the basis of my last test-proto-type mains lead. That version is with a forum member being tested. It's £40 a metre unterminated......unfortunately! P.S. I modify it HEAVILY

    Gordon
     
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    For my AV components' mains cables I use ChrisVH wire (enhanced Belden type), with "flavor 1" for digital sources and "flavor 2" for analogue amps; customised with ferrite ring on earth only at IEC end. Terminated with MK Tough Plugs and Wattgate 320s; both of which I had heavy duty silver plated by a local firm. Dressed to look nice; silver plating coated with ProGold, other connects with DeoxIt. I'll post a photo later. :smoke:
    http://www.venhaus1.com/diymains.html

    For my power distribution block I purchased Eupen GNLM 05/04 from Audusa. Which is £40 for first metre and £29 per subsequent metre off the drum. This cable is impressive, if one can be "impressed" by cable. ;) Each of the conductors effectively has an individual ferrite ring for it's entire length, and there's also a foil sheild with a drain wire. This cable is heavy, probably because of the thick copper and ferrite.
    http://www.audusa.com/eupenpage.htm
    Haven't made the distribution block up yet, but plan to use MK Pinnacle truncking for the case, and MK Logic Plus unswitched sockets (as per Russ Andrews "SuperSockets").
    http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/PDF/technical/Pinnacle.pdf

    Thinking about buying some LoRad for my plasma.
    http://www.supradirect.co.uk/shop/enter.html?target=Mains_CablesMains_Cables_zl_Connectors.html

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    Is that the Black Rhodium Supermains 25 (19 x 0.45mm cores 25A rating) or the Black Rhodium Supermains 13 (19 x 0.3mm cores 13A rating) or the Black Rhodium Supermains 6 (19 x 0.2mm cores 6A rating)?

    Is it the silicon rubber that does the business? Sounds better than PFTE Teflon according to some. Are the conductors coated in this, rather than Teflon or PVC?

    Their web-site is ... err... http://www.blackrhodium.co.uk/. Do you have a phone number for them?

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    Who knows what makes the difference;)

    Supermains 25 is £40 per metre retail.
    Supermains 13 is £30
    Supermains 6 is £10

    I have ordered enough parts to build the first 10 of my leads. Should be a laugh!

    Gordon
     
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    Just noticed that - very good :laugh:.
     
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    Shouldn't it be...

    sk8lr boi ;)

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    Ah! Groundy...a prize for the first comment. Send me your address and I'll send you something exciting.

    Gordon

    P.S. I thought it was quite good too......
     
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    Here's a picture of a ChrisVH "flavor 1" mains lead, basking in the spring sunshine.

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    1 metre ChrisVH "flavor 1"

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    Close up of termination

    Note the silver plated MK Tough Plug, the Wattgate is silver plated too (but you can't see that). ;)

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    I see from the photos.. it looks like a tight fit into the MK!

    Where did u get the silver plating done ? I had bought mine from audusa.com...

    Gordon.. dare I ask the price of your top secret mains cables ?

    Cheers

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    They will go on to my web site sometime tomorrow evening or Wednesday morning. They'll be £100 each unless you want long ones which will be quite a bit more...I was hoping to have them around £75 but part costs added up and the huge amount of time it takes to build one doesn't help!

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    Bit too much heatshrink on that end does make it hard to fit, could've done without the red decoration. I'll adjust it before I use it.

    Are the audusa ones completely silver plated, or just the pins?

    Saw Audusa ones at £9 each, and thought hrm... £2.40 for the plug from B&Q, how much does silver plating cost?

    Got out Yellow Pages, actually that's a lie used www.yell.co.uk and looked up "plating". Found a couple of (reasonably) local companies that do silver plating. Rang one up, he'd even done MK Tough Plugs before. Minimum charge £25 (or £20 for cash); and you can get an awful lot of stuff done for that, so I did.

    I even specified screws at 5 microns, pins and fuse holder at 8+ microns; so everything is plated. Wattgates are even more heavy duty silver plated. :)

    I didn't get the fuses done -- doh! -- as Audusa's site mentioned some problems with that on their site. However, have since found a company on the web that offer silver plated 13amp and 5amp fuses at 20p each.
    http://business.virgin.net/cad.cables/prices.htm#mark12A

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    Sounds like a bargain! yeah I admit £9 a time is a lot.. though RA charge £7 just for a MK plug !

    cheers

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    And they charge £19.95 for an MK Logic Plus unswitched double socket, that are £3.50ish at B&Q.

    Although that is sprayed with DeoxIT ;)

    Oh, and it has a RA "SuperSocket" sticker on it too.

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    Oh... looks like I got done :(

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    You're not alone :(.
     
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    Hello Gordon,

    B&Q stock the MK safety plug at £1.98, cheaper than CPC usually :)

    Mark.
     
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    Mark,

    I will NEVER buy another product rom B+Q after having to live without a finished kitchen for 9 months, there endless lies, useless staff and ending up having to take out a court action against them! (they settled out of court for 3-4 times what they originally offered) I'd rather pay 6pence extra from CPC!

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    Hello Gordon,

    I wondered why you avoid any mention of B&Q, now I know.

    Never had a problem with them myself.

    B&Q link might help someone else though.


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    Gordon

    obviously Sonic Link cable is now called black Rhodium 25 no wonder I couldnt find it on a a google search.
    Still cannot find where you can buy it from the reel? All the links I have found are for the made up cables.
    The web site just says coming soon.

    Have you got a link to somewhere for an off the reel purchase?
    thx
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    You can buy it off the reel from me......I have a dealer account....

    Gordon

    Mark,
    Believe me if you were treated the way I was you would not be going to B+Q in a hurry!
     
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    Did you actually use the ChrisVH wire??? or something else when constructing these :)

    Thanks

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    Actually used the ChrisVH wire -- which is very good.

    I ordered the wire, Wattgates, heatshink and braid from ChrisVH directly; enought for five 3' leads leads, 2x "flavor 1" and 3x "flavor 2". Shipping was $26 and sent via US Postal Service, and there was no import duty or tax to pay. Took about two days to arrive.

    I ordered too much heatshrink according to the recipe, as he says to use 3" strips every 6" or so; I did the entire length so it looks nicer, but is a bit more expensive.

    I bought the MK Tough Plugs at B&Q, and the ferrites (for earth wire at IEC end) from Maplins.

    I also bought 50 feet of rubber air hose for "flavor 2" (analogue leads) and can sell you some if you want. I've got plenty to spare. :clown: ChrisVH wasn't offering it on his site at the time. :(

    Got the Wattgates and MK Tough Plugs heavy duty silver plated locally; it's very cheap to do.

    So far have only made up one :blush: work keeps getting in the way! However, have tried it in my kit and although ChrisVH says 100hrs "burn in" time I think there was an immediate improvement. :D

    ChrisVH is a pleasure to deal with, his wire is excellent, the recipes are easy to follow, results are good. Recommended.

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    Thanks for the reply :)

    If you have some spare hose I'd love to buy some from you.

    I'm looking to make only 2 leads to start with. One flavour 1 and one flavour 2 :) PM me regarding buying some hose if you could please :) Also, do you have any spare silver plated MK's or IECs???

    Thanks

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