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DIY Film to video

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Building DIY' started by Begadoc, Sep 28, 2002.

  1. Begadoc

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    As a newby oldie - i.e. new to video, but keen 8mm & Super 8mm film maker in the good old days when film cost a reasonable amount - I find myself with several thousand feet of film which I would like to convert to Digital Video and re-edit.
    Problem is, shutter speeds. I have limited ability to modify shutter speeds - projector is 16 or 24 fps. Camera (Canon DV500i) is (I assume 25 fps.
    My 8mm film I can DIY convert as the 45 year old projector (yes, and it still works well!) has a speed control so I can tweak the speed until the strobing stops. But I can't with the Super 8 projector. So much for progress!
    Is there anyway of DIY converting without the strobe effect? If the projector had had a faster speed I could have slowed the motor down to get the 25fps, but with this setup, I suspect the answer is "pay a specialist"!
     
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    Have you tried fiddling with the shutter speeds on the camera?

    I tried the various settings such as sport or picnic and they seemed to affect the strobbing one way or another, though I can't remember which ones were best. Having speed control was the only way to remove it as far as I can remember though, so you may be out of luck.

    As for proffesional conversion, don't Try Jessops or other high street places as the people they get to do it don't make much effort.

    I wanted a super 8mm film of adverts that I'd just bought converted to Hi 8 so that when converted onto the pc, I would have the best quality for my digital projector. Jessops accused me of piracy (you can copy from Hi8 to vhs apparently...), and the people who finaly did this for me looked as if they'd copied it onto VHS first, then onto Hi8. The quality was appaling. It wasn't even centered properly.

    I got better results videoing it directly off the screen.

    My final version was via an old Sony teleconverter thingy - camera one side, and pj the other and onto DV.

    Gary.
     
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    Thanks for the suggestions. I had tried the various settings on the camera and whilst it affected the amount and speed of strobe, I couldn't eliminate it entirely.
    As for your warning, it reinforces what I had already been told. Someone I knew who had some films done described the quality as "if the original was 10, the copy was about 6!". Hence my looking for a DIY method.
    If I do go for a professional conversion, given the warnings, I think I may either send 50 feet to test them, or lay down the standard I expect (using your comments re centering etc.) and ask for a quote. That way I have a comeback if they produce a poor copy. I am surprised at Jessops thought - I would have expected them to be more professional.
    My experiments last night with the 45 year projector produced very good results from the 8mm film!
     
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    To be honest, I think you'll get better results if you do it yourself because you'll make an effort to get it right.

    Have you thought about buying a second hand variable speed 8mm cine projector and a telecine box (I can't think of the proper name for it)?

    It'll probably work out cheaper if you have a lot of film to do, and you can spend the time on making sure you get what you paid for. :)

    Gary.
     
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    Now why didn't I think of that! Given the success with the 8mm film, it clearly is the best way forward. As for the converter thingy, I don't know what it's called either, but I have one for my Super 8 projector which I can use with other ones.
    I think the problem I may have with that is first identifying a Super 8 projector that has a variable speed control, and then locating someone who has one in their attic!
    Perhaps someone reading this may know of possible suppliers I can approach.
     
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    Mr Cad in Croydon (Thornton Heath) area, and Lees Cameras in London are two that come to mind. Maybe even Derann films in Dudley (IIRC) might have some.

    The first two definately have some, because I enquired there and they had various models. Fortunately a friend lent me his so I didn't need to buy one in the end.

    HTH

    Gary.
     

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