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Discussion in 'Home Cinema Building DIY' started by ReTrO, Feb 26, 2003.

  1. ReTrO

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    Any chance someone could make me up a 1m digital lead wth some of the Canare phonos? I have just brought my Arcam Alpha One to Uni and it needs a decent digital lead to my sound card.

    Cheers
     
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    Retro,

    I can make you up a cable if you like :)

    Just let me know via PM and i will sort you out a price.

    Cheers


    Elliot
     
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    Hello Retro,

    I have been known to make a few excellent leads for forum members ;)

    Send me a PM if you want one.

    Mark.
     
  4. ReTrO

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    Should Elliot fail in his mission I shall take up your offer.

    Of it I feel adventureous I may do a shoot out between 2 cables.

    If you wan to to PM the cost it would be anyhow it would be more than helpfull.

    :smashin:

    Cheers guys.
     
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    The cable Elliot is going to use is the best digital interconnect I have heard.

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    Looks like I'll have one of each. I'll see what I think is the best of the two. No doubt I'll not be able to tell due to the inadaquecies of my equipment.
     
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    Originally posted by The Beekeeper.

    I have to ask! What is it?
     
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    I am happy to make up cables for anyone who wants them for minimal costs :)

    It would be expensive for people to buy the bits as the cable comes on 300ft drums and the crimp tools cost upwards of £130 partnered with the fact that i buy plugs in the 100's to keep the costs down.

    Therefore anyone who wants one, PM me :)

    Best

    Els
     
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    Hello Retro,

    The cable is built, and will be with you soon.

    I doubt you will send it back, I have not had one digital cable or mains lead returned so far, most want more, especially the mains leads :)

    Note for forum members:
    My PM inbox and email inbox accepts messages OK ;) ;)


    Mark.
     
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    Cheers Mark.

    I'll get a cheque sent off to you when it arrives.
     
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    To all those who have Pm'd me about the leads, please can you leave your opinions on this thread as and when you have had a chance to listen to it :)

    They will be posted out early next week as i am off on a big install now.

    Cheers Guys

    Elliot
     
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    I have received both Marks and Elliots cables now.

    Initial impressions of both are good. Elliots cable is simple and flexable, while Marks looks very flashy, being thick coax with extra sheathing, but is quite inflexible in comparision.

    Both sound much better than my spare phono lead that I was using before. I will try to A-B them at the weekend some time.

    Should be fun!:clap:
     
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    I look forward to your findings with interest to see if you hold the same opinion as the mighty Gordon :)
     
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    Well, i reckon Elliot's cable deserves a hearty recommendation.
    I received my cable this morning (1 metre length) and have been spinning a few CD's & DVD soundtracks for about an hour.

    Firstly, the RCA's make a superb connection to my SPDIF output & input on my Meridians, possibly, the best contact i've had with a digi coax, certainly better than my Chord Prodac.

    Secondly, the cable is better than my affore mentioned Chord Prodac which cost me about £80.00

    Never quite sure sometimes how to convey certain details about a product against another product, so here's a different look @ it..

    Imagine a loaf of bread..Each slice represents an increase in sound reproduction. (bottom of loaf = better sound)
    Well, Elliot's cable managed to peel away more slices from the loaf than my Chord Prodac did & my previous Van Den Hul too (plus a few others that have faded from my memory)

    So, for me & my SPDIF cable history, Elliot's is the best one i've used/heard to date.

    One happy user here:smashin:

    Adzman
     
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    Great Stuff :)

    Really pleased that you like it, and like you say the canare connectors really are excellent and make a fantastic connection.

    Maybe Gordon isn't as deaf as i thought he was :rotfl:

    Cheers

    Elliot
     
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    The only plug I've used with a better connection (or at least appears that way) is one of the WBT lockable types, that are £20 each to buy on their own and not true 75ohm anyway.

    They do look nice the Canare.:smashin:
     
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    Elliot.

    Yes, the Canare RCA's make a superb connection. They really seem to lock onto the SPDIF output/inputs.

    The difference from going from my origional Van Den Hul to the Chord cable was hard (if at all) to distinguish.

    The difference from going from the Chord to the X3ELS is audible.

    It certainly makes for a strong persuasive argument for the camp that says cables can make a difference.

    The X3ELS certainly makes a difference.


    Adzman
     
  18. ReTrO

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    The plugs that Chord use are pretty nice, but they are the same phono's they use for stereo leads, so I would guess are not 75ohm either. I've always thought they made a good connection though.
     
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    I like that, the X3ElS :) :)

    The WBT plug is ok but it puts far to much strain on the RCA terminal, and if you ever forget to unlock the plug you could be doing some serious damage :)

    One of the reasons that the Canare plugs are so good is that they are very near the ideal 75ohm impedance, closest possible i believe. (all down to the construction, spacing, diletric etc)

    Any solder type plug cannot get as close as this and the reliability of this plug will also be far better.

    Cheers

    Elliot
     
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    Sorry to jump in here Rick;)

    Elliot im after a 3.5 jack to 2 phono is that a possibility?
     
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    I beleive "spin in" is the correct terminology.:D
     
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    Retro.

    The Chord Prodac RCA cannot 'lock' onto the SPDIF connex as good as the Canares. (unless mine is a dodgey one:D)

    Funnily enough, the only other RCA plug that has fitted (nearly) as good as the Canares were some IXOS one's i tried.

    The Van Den Hul RCA's i previously used were rather poor at getting that 'locked' on connection.

    Locking on is important for me, as my Jack Russel terrier sometimes sleeps behind my kit rack:devil: :rotfl:

    Little bleeder!

    Adzman
     
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    I can make up any cable you like (within reason)

    What sort of quality are you after, as I have some fairly decent ones pre-made here anyway.

    Biggest restriction is the quality of the 3.5mm jack and the quality of the cable that you can fit into it. I am guessing if the product you have is not of very high quality anyway if it only has a 3.5mm jack??

    Cheers

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    Hello Adzman,

    If you would like to try my cable, send me a message, I will send you one to try, just send it back when finished with it.

    Should be an interesting comparison, as the RCA's I use are also Canare, the coax will be different, RG6 size and silver plated core.
    A bit stiff is all that goes against it.

    Think I will call it the Silver Stiffler.

    The Canare connectors are superb.
    It is a shame more people don't use them.


    The Canare BNC's are also excellent, makes great RGBHV cables for CRT, gets a bit expensive though.

    Mark.
     
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    the cable is from my digi FTA box to amp 1.5m so nothing spectacular, how much are we looking at?
     
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    I can't comment on Marks cable but you will see Elliots cable is made from the stuff I have been promoting for ages, even given a load away in the past. For me it is the best for two reasons.

    1. The Canare are 75 ohm. To me this makes a big difference (cue the usual abuse) from the 'old' digital brigade.

    2, The great cable Elliot uses is 75 Ohm like many claim. Unfortunately the reality is a bit different. For those interested in QUALITY it must have a linear 75 ohm CI along it's whole length. Most 'cheaper less well designed' coax DOES NOT do this. This is what separates out the good from the great.

    To those who make grandios claims for the 3GHZ bandwidth of their digital cable, well they are not understanding what makes a good cable. Linear CI is the killer thing along with 75 ohm plugs for the GREAT cable. Elliots cable is a bargain at the prices he charges and is as good as I have found without going BNCs. Oh and by the way it is 3Ghz anyway!
     
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    Hopefully I'll be requiring 5 long runs of it in the summer for a projector.:clap:
     
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    Bee,
    Whew! I amn't deaf then......Fancy trying a mains lead then?

    Rick,

    This is the stuff I use for SDI and Analogue video as well. Being great at digital audio is just icing on the cake.

    Gordon
     
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    Inbox emptied and ready for orders :) :) :)
     
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    Provided I can sell or trade in the Barco D600 and bits (RCVDS Quad 400S and remote, back control box, D15 to RGBS BNC buffer box), and get a Sony 1270/71 I will be ordering cables from you sometime. Waiting on emails from people.:clap:
     

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