Well folks again thank you all for all your replies with my thread about the servo 15. I want to let you know what happened. Yesterday RS were supposed to call me when the sub arrived in store. They never called so i called 5 times only to not get through, so today i visited the store and asked where my phone call was yesterday, "sorry we were busy" Ok so where is the sub? "RS dont have any left sir" Ok but when i ordered one last week you said you had 6. "there all faulty sir and now were not dealing with Paradigm anymore" Great thanks for letting me know. So there you have it i need to look at other subs at least there was some good debate with my thread even if it lead to nothing. At this point have any of you heard a Paradigm PS1000? also is there much difference between the REL Q150 and Q200? that should open another can of worms with any luck ha ha. thanks folks in anticipation,John.